Can someone explain why Reality Equalization is even a thing?

[AyOgUyS]

If a verse takes place in a virtual world that is portrayed as different than the real world, why do we equalize them?

According to the RE Page: "Reality Equalization refers to the practice of treating characters from lower (or more rarely, higher) planes of existence as being on the same level of existence as most characters featured in Tiers 10 to 3. This is usually done in order to allow characters who exist in virtual worlds to fight normal, "real" characters."

If we are buffing these virtual characters just to make them fight real characters, isn't that just buffing them for no reason at all?

The RE Page also says:

• The story should focus, in large part, on the virtual world in question. While it is not required for the entire verse to take place inside the virtual world, it should be major or recurrent enough to be considered too important to leave out entirely.
• The moments of the story focused on the virtual world should preferably be from the perspective of the virtual characters. This is due to the fact that Reality Equalization bases itself around the perspective of the character, as such, if this perspective isn't used in the original fiction, it has little to no point to be featured in the character's page. Those cases should simply be rated as Tier 11 if they fit the previous criteria.

I'm confused on why this is the case because even if the events of a verse are from the perspective of the virtual characters, if the verse canonically takes place within a video game or something then why can we just equalize it to a normal universe just because the story focuses on said video game? Because if a verse canonically takes place within some sort of video game or lower reality or something in the first place then surely the author intended for their verse's universe to be different from a standard universe?

For example: A verse has two realities: a real reality (just a normal universe), and a virtual one (a computer simulation where most of the story takes place). Even tho the majority of the story takes place within the computer simulation and is from the perspective of characters that exist within the computer simulation, surely we can't say this computer simulation is now the size of a normal universe right? Especially if its shown to be contained within technology that is obviously nowhere near the size of the universe (cuz duh its a computer simulation).

I'm confused. I feel like there's a universe's worth of info about Reality Equalization that everybody except me knows.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

I think this concluded thread would be relevant to this.

 

[AyOgUyS]

I think this concluded thread would be relevant to this.

So basically what they ended up saying was "RE is fine but the page has to specify it like a key that goes like: How Strong X Character Is Realistically | How Strong They Are With RE"

Then again maybe I misunderstood things but it seems to be that's the general consensus (thread isn't rly concluded tho)

 

[Vietthai96]

This is depend, with verse take place in a virtual world, such as Sword Art Online, we use the virtual character rather than real character for RE, and we will assume the virtual reality in said verse to be baseline reality which mean we will assume said virtual reality to be a normal universe for the sake of scaling

 

[AyOgUyS]

This is depend, with verse take place in a virtual world, such as Sword Art Online, we use the virtual character rather than real character for RE, and we will assume the virtual reality in said verse to be baseline reality which mean we will assume said virtual reality to be a normal universe for the sake of scaling

But why do we assume that the virtual reality is a normal universe in the first place?

 

[Vietthai96]

But why do we assume that the virtual reality is a normal universe in the first place?

for the sake of scaling

we assume them to be baseline reality, being normal universe, to scales them normally

 

[AyOgUyS]

we assume them to be baseline reality, being normal universe, to scales them normally

why is this the case tho? if said world is virtual/made of code or smth, then its already different from a normal universe

again, I still feel like I'm missing out on smth

 

[Vietthai96]

why is this the case tho? if said world is virtual/made of code or smth, then its already different from a normal universe

again, I still feel like I'm missing out on smth

already said it, the reason is because we scaling stuff; thus, we considering them as baseline reality to scale. By your logic, we shouldn't scale fiction either because they are either texts on books or code in computers.

 

[AyOgUyS]

already said it, the reason is because we scaling stuff; thus, we considering them as baseline reality to scale. By your logic, we shouldn't scale fiction either because they are either texts on books or code in computers.

ok but like Minecraft for example isn't canonically a video game, its canonically a normal universe

if a verse has a realm that is canonically a video game then surely the author intended for it to not be universe sized? Because of they went out of their way to emphasize that this realm is canonically made of data I don't like that we can just ignore that and say its the size of a universe

 

[SweetDao]

The only point I kinda agree with OP is the fact that a lot of characters that should be 10-C or lower falls into the "baseline reality" (anything between 10-C and Low 1-A really) which in turn makes the 11-C rating (or the 10-C rating for virtual world/virtual being) almost useless and empty.

 

[Vietthai96]

ok but like Minecraft for example isn't canonically a video game, its canonically a normal universe

if a verse has a realm that is canonically a video game then surely the author intended for it to not be universe sized? Because of they went out of their way to emphasize that this realm is canonically made of data I don't like that we can just ignore that and say its the size of a universe

No, we don't really assume it to be the universe right away, lol; we just assume it to be a baseline reality to scale. Things depend on contexts; if the virtual world shows the universe, then yes, it is universe-sized. What I mean is it's not about things being considered universe-sized instantly but is treated as baseline "universe" so you could scale it, or else everything is 11-C

The only point I kinda agree with OP is the fact that a lot of characters that should be 10-C or lower falls into the "baseline reality" (anything between 10-C and Low 1-A really) which in turn makes the 11-C rating (or the 10-C rating for virtual world/virtual being) almost useless and empty.

I understand this, but it really depends on the verse. For example, I play a game called Aether Gazer, whose storyline is about Earth being doomed and unable to live, so humans uploaded their consciousness to a virtual world to continue the civilization. Aside from some prologue dialogues, the entire game is within the virtual world. So if we don't treat the virtual world as baseline reality, everyone is 11-C, and there's no point in scaling it. So the issue is, when we treat X as baseline reality

 

[SweetDao]

I understand this, but it really depends on the verse. For example, I play a game called Aether Gazer, whose storyline is about Earth being doomed and unable to live, so humans uploaded their consciousness to a virtual world to continue the civilization. Aside from some prologue dialogues, the entire game is within the virtual world. So if we don't treat the virtual world as baseline reality, everyone is 11-C, and there's no point in scaling it. So the issue is, when we treat X as baseline reality

Yeah, of course, that's an arbitrary choice, of which I understand the reason, but in turns, it makes some verse "stronger" than they really are.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yeah, of course, that's an arbitrary choice, of which I understand the reason, but in turns, it makes some verse "stronger" than they really are.

See, that's my problem. It ends up making a lot of verses far stronger than how they would be realistically.

 

[AyOgUyS]

I understand this, but it really depends on the verse. For example, I play a game called Aether Gazer, whose storyline is about Earth being doomed and unable to live, so humans uploaded their consciousness to a virtual world to continue the civilization. Aside from some prologue dialogues, the entire game is within the virtual world. So if we don't treat the virtual world as baseline reality, everyone is 11-C, and there's no point in scaling it. So the issue is, when we treat X as baseline reality

You can't disregard scaling just cuz its low

 

[AyOgUyS]

No, we don't really assume it to be the universe right away, lol; we just assume it to be a baseline reality to scale. Things depend on contexts; if the virtual world shows the universe, then yes, it is universe-sized. What I mean is it's not about things being considered universe-sized instantly but is treated as baseline "universe" so you could scale it, or else everything is 11-C

So...if it is legitimately shown to be actually universe-sized...THEN it can be assumed to be universe sized...

That's just common sense I don't see why RE should be a thing

 

[OrangeFR]

Because then without having it scaling gets really boring

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

To solve this:

11-C or whatever tier is being in a game via being in a game

X tier in said game, and new rule of using the game tier instead of the 11-C on if you guys are so adamant of this being a problem

 

[AyOgUyS]

Because then without having it scaling gets really boring

not a valid reason to have it
sure scaling gets boring but that doesn't mean we can just buff verses

 

[AyOgUyS]

To solve this:

11-C or whatever tier is being in a game via being in a game

X tier in said game, and new rule of using the game tier instead of the 11-C on if you guys are so adamant of this being a problem

could you please elaborate?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

could you please elaborate?

I already did

One key explaining the stats the character of the virtual world compared to the real world (probably 10-C for being data or something) and another the stats of the character in the virtual world itself to be used in battles via using reality equalization

So you have the real world key and the RE Key, which by itself for me is not a problem but if you think is one, then my proposal is a solution

 

[AyOgUyS]

I already did

One key explaining the stats the character of the virtual world compared to the real world (probably 10-C for being data or something) and another the stats of the character in the virtual world itself to be used in battles via using reality equalization

So you have the real world key and the RE Key, which by itself for me is not a problem but if you think is one, then my proposal is a solution

Ok but it should be specified that the key scaling the character via assuming virtual world = normal universe is not where they realistically scale and purely done for battleboarding purposes

 

[AigerTheKing]

Ok but it should be specified that the key scaling the character via assuming virtual world = normal universe is not where they realistically scale and purely done for battleboarding purposes

If its where the main show takes place, then why not use RE?

 

[AyOgUyS]

If its where the main show takes place, then why not use RE?

because if it takes place in a virtual world, like for example canonically within a phone, then obviously it is not a normal universe and everyone would be Below Average Human level

but people like to say these r universe sized for some reason I just dont get it fine u can add the RE keys ig but do specify its not where they realistically scale

 

[AigerTheKing]

because if it takes place in a virtual world, like for example canonically within a phone, then obviously it is not a normal universe and everyone would be Below Average Human level

I just don't think it makes sense to just dissmiss an entire verse centered on a game as fodders

 

[AyOgUyS]

I just don't think it makes sense to just dissmiss an entire verse centered on a game as fodders

its not that its verses centered on video games (like idk Undertale or smth) but rather verses where the main setting is a virtual world that is clearly contained within something far smaller than a standard universe should not be treated as if those virtual worlds are universe sized

 

[OrangeFR]

because if it takes place in a virtual world, like for example canonically within a phone, then obviously it is not a normal universe and everyone would be Below Average Human level

but people like to say these r universe sized for some reason I just dont get it fine u can add the RE keys ig but do specify its not where they realistically scale

Ig Angry Birds is canonically 11-C now

 

[AyOgUyS]

Ig Angry Birds is canonically 11-C now

idk anything about angry birds

if their cosmology indeed has valid evidence of being smaller than a universe, sure

 

[OrangeFR]

idk anything about angry birds

if their cosmology indeed has valid evidence of being smaller than a universe, sure

They are shown to be in a phone in some shorts. Also, would this also mean all of Loony Tunes and Popeye is 11-C as well because they canonically take place in film reels? Also does this mean all of Marvel and DC are also 11-C because they have been shown to be fiction in certain comics like Gwenpool?

 

[AigerTheKing]

its not that its verses centered on video games (like idk Undertale or smth) but rather verses where the main setting is a virtual world that is clearly contained within something far smaller than a standard universe should not be treated as if those virtual worlds are universe sized

So by that logic, any verse with R>F should be downgraded as 11-C

 

[OrangeFR]

So by that logic, any verse with R>F should be downgraded as 11-C

Yep

 

[AyOgUyS]

So by that logic, any verse with R>F should be downgraded as 11-C

that's different

let's say Verse A takes place within a normal phone. Below Average Human level

Let's say Verse B also takes place within a normal phone within a normal universe. that's Below Average Human for characters in that phone. But let's say some entity has R>F over said normal universe. This entity is 1-A

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yep

no u are misinterpretation what I am saying

 

[AyOgUyS]

They are shown to be in a phone in some shorts. Also, would this also mean all of Loony Tunes and Popeye is 11-C as well because they canonically take place in film reels?

idk these verses

Also does this mean all of Marvel and DC are also 11-C because they have been shown to be fiction in certain comics like Gwenpool?

Marvel and DC consistently has infinite-dimensional and infinite size statements, no? so anything that views this infinite-dimensional realm as fiction would be like 1-A or smth

 

[AyOgUyS]

They are shown to be in a phone in some shorts.

Like, YouTube shorts? I highly doubt the canonicity of those

 

[AyOgUyS]

I think everyone is misinterpretation what I am saying.

I DO NOT have a problem with certain verses having "simulations" that scale really high (Certain canons in SCP are the only example I can think of off the top of my head)

I DO NOT have a problem with certain verses having a universe being viewed as fiction because if anything that's an upscale

What I DO have a problem with is specifically verses where World A is for example contained like some technology or something that is canonically not like universal or smth. I have a problem with verses where the realm is canonically below universal sized yet people equalize it to a universe.

 

[AyOgUyS]

If Verse A has a realm made of data, and the only info we have is like idk: "this realm is made of data it also has infinite spatial dimensions" then sure its High 1-B

if Verse B has a realm literally contained within my Chromebook and this Chromebook has no statements whatsoever of not being a normal Chromebook then that realm would obviously be Below Average Human level

 

[OrangeFR]

Like, YouTube shorts? I highly doubt the canonicity of those

I mean like official like 5 minute cartoons

 

[OrangeFR]

I DO NOT have a problem with certain verses having "simulations" that scale really high (Certain canons in SCP are the only example I can think of off the top of my head)

What I DO have a problem with is specifically verses where World A is for example contained like some technology or something that is canonically not like universal or smth. I have a problem with verses where the realm is canonically below universal sized yet people equalize it to a universe.

What makes these different?

 

[AigerTheKing]

idk these verses

Marvel and DC consistently has infinite-dimensional and infinite size statements, no? so anything that views this infinite-dimensional realm as fiction would be like 1-A or smth

With your logic, irrelevant, since "real world" is shown superior to the place where a fictional setting mainly takes place. So 11-C fodders

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't think we even automatically assume virtual world to be universe-sized unless there are evidence to suggest it, like having starry sky,

And even if they was automatically considered as such, said verse's characters can even affect the totality of such size is also another thing