Velvet Crowe vs Cu Chulainn

[Solacis]

I'm doubtful that she can absorb Gae Bolg's curse, since it comes from something far stronger than she is and it's resistance is enhanced further due to having been forged way before 200BC and thus having some serious mystery, which is treated as an all-in-one resistance in the Nasuverse.

It's way more than just a curse.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Extra mats called it a step away from Authority as well.

 

[Solacis]

It's even better than I thought. Absolutely no way Gae Bolg's curse is getting absorbed.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

The regen null comes from the causality reversal curse.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Goetia's Evil Eye is a curse. So resisting it would just give Cu resistance to Curse Manip.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

So soul rip is on the cards?

 

[Solacis]

In summary, Cu outskills, resists power absorption, reverses causality to hit the heart, nulls regen and oneshots Velvet. Seems pretty decisive for Cu.

What are Velvet's leftover win conditions after everything that's been brought up?

 

[Theglassman12]

How does he resist power absorption? Especially when her go to move is grab him and consume the guy?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

To answer the AP question that came up, there is no calc. The reason I said they are 24 Megatons is because I have seen it said by multiple people on this site that that is the baseline for volcano eruptions, which is the Mount St Helens eruptio, nobody ever refuted this claim, so I assumed it was correct. Now, it would be nice to get the actual thing calced, however, I have been unable to get a clear shot of the volcano in question due to how big it is.

Now, in regards to the other abilities, if the Curse is physical damage, she should be able to survive and a single hit with the Claw should be lethal, in regards to skill, Velvet was trained by the greatest swordsman on the planet, so she's no slouch in that regard either. I don't know where resisting power absorption comes from.

 

[Solacis]

Resisting Power Absorption comes from the fact that Gae Bolg's curse is comparable (albeit inferior) to Authorities in the Nasuverse. Authority is basically reality warping abilities possessed by the gods in the Nasuverse that can range from at least 5-C up to 4-C in scale depending on what they're the god of. So unless Velvet has absorbed the abilities of beings comparable to that scale, she can't absorb Gae Bolg's regen negating curse.

That is, unless I'm misunderstanding how Power Absorption strength is measured. In which case, please correct me.

 

[Theglassman12]

Well the curse thing is something Nuke mentions. What I was referencing in regards to absorption is her grabbing her opponents and consuming their entire body. It's something she does a lot throughout the game from what I've played.

 

[Solacis]

How strong is the absorption? It took Cu being practically an inch from death before the Shadow could absorb him in Heaven's Feel, and Servants aren't too badly affected by Blood Fort Andromeda despite it being capable of reducing humans to puddles of molten flesh in a matter of seconds.

 

[Theglassman12]

it can consume those on her tier. Like Melchior, and another Daemon that could contend with her.

 

[Solacis]

Does it work on those in her tier at full health, or does it need her to weaken her opponents first?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Depends if she is strong enough. her absorption isn't an instant thing outside of game mechanics mid-battle where it automatically absorbs and destroys.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Solacis both full and weakened.

@Sigurd it takes her a few seconds at best to consume.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

She could have absorbed Kamoana (aka earrape English dub loli Therion) immediately. But because she was needed for her plan, she beat up and KOed the loli and absorbed most of the darkness within her, rendering her mostly harmless.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BUMP!!

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Velvet's powers are granted to her by a 5-B being in Innominat, it's fairly reasonable to assume they might work, the absorption is fairly quick too.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BUMP!!

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BUMP!!

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

@Theglassman
The "calc" I believe you are talking about.

Is it really fair to assume that the in-verse volcano is the equivalent of this one? Is there a reference of any sort?

 

[Theglassman12]

The volcano in question is said to be the biggest volcano on the planet.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

The volcano in question is said to be the biggest volcano on the planet.

That's good but what other volcanoes are like? Don't think that means much without reference.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Biggest Volcano on the planet....if we take to IRL the closer we look is Mount. Vesuvius/Krakataoa.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

It doesn't really matter since the feat would only scale from the initial 7 megaton blast which just makes this match up a borderline 7-A slapping a baseline.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Even the absorption may not fully save her as the Shadow is meant to be the Achilles of spiritual things and super effective against it, but as Sol pointed out, Cu needed to be nearly dead to be absorbed without fighting back. He's getting absorbed, but it's not gonna a be just a few seconds.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

It doesn't really matter since the feat would only scale from the initial 7 megaton blast which just makes this match up a borderline 7-A slapping a baseline.

Hold on. Wouldn't a character who can set off a volcano scale to the entirety of the energy output by the eruption, not just the initial blast? They're not scaling to it for surviving the initial blast, they're scaling to it because a guy they just beat was going to set off the volcano before they killed him.

On the topic of volcanoes, we only ever visit the one in Berseria, however, as I recall, in these sorts of situations we generally assume it to be like Earth and nothing contradicts that ingame.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

And that guy they killed would only be setting off a 7 megaton blast and not the additional 17 that occured over the course of days. You could argue that it would have released the 17 ish megatons after the initial blast but that is still in overtime and not immediate.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Hold on. Wouldn't a character who can set off a volcano scale to the entirety of the energy output by the eruption, not just the initial blast?

No, that's not how it works. This is the equivalent of rating somebody at Building level by scaling to destroying a building via several consecutive Wall level attacks.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BUMP!!

 

[Kredory]

Cu one shots

Just repeating this, plus I don't think VC has an answer to the homing spear anyway so I guess it's a stomp

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump powah?

 

[Schnee_One]

Velvet being 7 megatons makes this a massive AP stomp for Cu

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Can't the soul manip can do shit here?

F*** AP because that's make my bae suffer >:'v

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Welp since pretty much all 7-B+ servants will lost their "+", this match can be continued it seems.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

if it's 7 megatons, then it's still probably an AP stomp