Uraume Upgrade and Piercing Blood Speed Update.

[PowerToScale]

This is a pretty simple upgrade. Uraume intercepts Piercing Blood before it can hit their face. This comes out to supersonic speeds, in turn her Shibuya appearance should be upgraded to supersonic in speed. this also updates Piercing Blood's speed as seen here(The calc) that a more greatly compressed Piercing Blood is faster and stronger than a less compressed one, which matches it's description that the Piercing Blood is faster and stronger the more it's compressed.

Jujutsu Kaisen: Uraume Piercing Blood

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[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[JnSteHar002]

You have my support

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agree with this

 

[KingTempest]

This is a pretty simple upgrade. Uraume intercepts Piercing Blood before it can hit their face. This comes out to supersonic speeds, in turn her Shibuya appearance should be upgraded to supersonic in speed. this also updates Piercing Blood's speed as seen here(The calc) that a more greatly compressed Piercing Blood is faster and stronger than a less compressed one, which matches it's description that the Piercing Blood is faster and stronger the more it's compressed.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:powerToScale/Jujutsu_Kaisen:_Uraume_Piercing_Blood

The angle you used for that piercing blood isn't accurate. That's not the true angle for it at all, that's just the perspective portion of the top of it
Where the blue line is up here is where you should've calced it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

So, uh, isnt she comparable or even slower than Hakari? Who couldnt react to something that happened in 0.01 secs?

The fact that Urauma also only blocked when the Piercing Blood was at point blank make it a bit sus

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So, uh, isnt she comparable or even slower than Hakari? Who couldnt react to something that happened in 0.01 secs?

This is wrong. It's not about he couldn't react it's about the difference between Sukuna and Gojo domain clash which was hard to notice.
We literally got statement for characters gotten stronger in latest chapter. Pre Shinjuku Showdown and Post Shinjuku Showdown shouldn't use same rating.

 

[SunDaGamer]

So, uh, isnt she comparable or even slower than Hakari? Who couldnt react to something that happened in 0.01 secs?

The fact that Urauma also only blocked when the Piercing Blood was at point blank make it a bit sus

Hence the calc should use the distance Choso was away from Uraume
KingTempest's calc fixes the issues

Uraume Blocks SonicBlood

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[LIFE_OF_KING]

So peak

 

[M3X_2.0]

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

KingTempest's calc fixes the issues

 

[M3X_2.0]

Tell him that his calc is the one that will be used?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Bro thinks he is him

 

[PowerToScale]

The angle you used for that piercing blood isn't accurate. That's not the true angle for it at all, that's just the perspective portion of the top of it
Where the blue line is up here is where you should've calced it.

Yeah, no. The part you are saying is not part of the cone at all, it's completely separate from it with no connection to it where the actually cone forms a full conical shape with no breaks. Otherwise any line outside of the actual cone can just be used, and would be inaccurate to use.

 

[PowerToScale]

Hence the calc should use the distance Choso was away from Uraume
KingTempest's calc fixes the issues

Uraume Blocks SonicBlood

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This calc has some issues with it, however, the only part that actually matters is the "Partial Feat". The whole 6m part distance doesn't matter as the close up of where the hand and PB is the real feat, as it directly provides us with how far the hand needs to move to block it. The issue then comes down to the angle. Plus narratively this Piercing Blood being slower is that the other one is wrong.

 

[pineappleman]

So, uh, isnt she comparable or even slower than Hakari? Who couldnt react to something that happened in 0.01 secs?

Mei Mei's crows weren't broadcasting with 24fps

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Bro thinks he is him

if you take a look at two different calcs made by king. you'd see them actually conflict each other through the story itself. I'll show you which ones I exactly mean:

Hence the calc should use the distance Choso was away from Uraume
KingTempest's calc fixes the issues

Uraume Blocks SonicBlood

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Jujutsu Kaisen: Piercing Blood Speed

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"The result is Mach 1.568, or 537.824 m/s" (PB speed)
This is a normal compressed PB btw, and we know that a PB being compressed can become more faster and stronger, the more you compress it.

Uraume Blocks SonicBlood

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"Mach 1.266" (PB speed)
Yet this here is Mach 1.2, despite being like, the most compressed PB we've ever seen from Choso after the fight he had with Yuji.

So does this make sense? Obviously not. It must be higher than the one he did against Yuji, otherwise the Calc would be wrong.

unless king decides to surprise us and say that the PB speed Calc was calced wrongly and then pull up a whole new result out of nowhere on us, a speed result that is lower than the one he did with the Choso firing PB at Uraume calc id be in shambles fr fr ong

 

[KingTempest]

if you take a look at two different calcs made by king. you'd see them actually conflict each other through the story itself. I'll show you which ones I exactly mean:

Jujutsu Kaisen: Piercing Blood Speed

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"The result is Mach 1.568, or 537.824 m/s" (PB speed)
This is a normal compressed PB btw, and we know that a PB being compressed can become more faster and stronger, the more you compress it.

Uraume Blocks SonicBlood

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"Mach 1.266" (PB speed)
Yet this here is Mach 1.2, despite being like, the most compressed PB we've ever seen from Choso after the fight he had with Yuji.

So does this make sense? Obviously not. It must be higher than the one he did against Yuji, otherwise the Calc would be wrong.

unless king decides to surprise us and say that the PB speed Calc was calced wrongly and then pull up a whole new result out of nowhere on us, a speed result that is lower than the one he did with the Choso firing PB at Uraume calc id be in shambles fr fr ong

If Sukuna gets a building level calc and Hanami gets a Multi-City block calc, is Hanami stronger than Sukuna?

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yeah, no. The part you are saying is not part of the cone at all, it's completely separate from it with no connection to it where the actually cone forms a full conical shape with no breaks. Otherwise any line outside of the actual cone can just be used, and would be inaccurate to use.

Those "external effects" can only be caused by Piercing Blood breaking the sound barrier, those aren't some random lines Gege drew unrelated to it, in fact in the very next panel we can see that the angle isn't really as small as 20°.

This calc has some issues with it, however, the only part that actually matters is the "Partial Feat". The whole 6m part distance doesn't matter as the close up of where the hand and PB is the real feat, as it directly provides us with how far the hand needs to move to block it. The issue then comes down to the angle. Plus narratively this Piercing Blood being slower is that the other one is wrong.

Piercing Blood is narratively >Mach 1, KT's value of Mach 1.568 was only obtained by using the cone angle method so it should be fair game to use here, the scan for Uraume's feat here has a way better perspective for finding the angle than the one Choso uses on Yuji so I'm fine with scrapping the Mach 1.568 calc.

Uraume's hands were down beforehand, they were already near the end of their movement by the time of the scan for the partial feat. The issue with the partial feat is that if Uraume's reaction speed was 78% that of Piercing Blood's speed then they wouldn't have barely reacted been able to react to it because PB has to move 6 meters while Uraume has to move 0.4 meters to block it hence why the full feat is better.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

If Sukuna gets a building level calc and Hanami gets a Multi-City block calc, is Hanami stronger than Sukuna?

did you read my post or did you skim through it? because if you read it, you'd understand the actual point I'm making. but here you don't seem to understand.

The point is that for these two calcs to work, they would have to not contradict each other. In this instance the character named Choso, has obviously fired a far stronger and faster projectile against a character named Uraume, whereas in a previous event he fires a obviously slower and weaker projectile against a character named Yuji than he did against Uraume
Yet said calc for Choso firing a PB against Yuji, has the PB speed faster than the other PB's speed, the one that is obviously shown to be faster and stronger than the one he did against Yuji by going through the narrative from the story itself.

this means that these calcs are contradictory to each other according to the narrative of the story. But that's not important, what's important is that the PB used against Uraume NEEDS to be above the other PB used against Yuji. Otherwise these calcs can't be used when they go against the story itself.


I hope this made my point clear enough to show the issues presented.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yet said calc for Choso firing a PB against Yuji, has the PB speed faster than the other PB's speed, the one that is obviously shown to be faster and stronger than the one he did against Yuji by going through the narrative from the story itself.

What do you recommend?

 

[PowerToScale]

Those "external effects" can only be caused by Piercing Blood breaking the sound barrier, those aren't some random lines Gege drew unrelated to it, in fact in the very next panel we can see that the angle isn't really as small as 20°.

You do realize that that isn't the cone right? Not only remotely shaped like it but that It's also significantly further back than what is shown. We see how it looks and how close it is to Uraume.

Piercing Blood is narratively >Mach 1, KT's value of Mach 1.568 was only obtained by using the cone angle method so it should be fair game to use here, the scan for Uraume's feat here has a way better perspective for finding the angle than the one Choso uses on Yuji so I'm fine with scrapping the Mach 1.568 calc.

Uraume's hands were down beforehand, they were already near the end of their movement by the time of the scan for the partial feat. The issue with the partial feat is that if Uraume's reaction speed was 78% that of Piercing Blood's speed then they wouldn't have barely reacted been able to react to it because PB has to move 6 meters while Uraume has to move 0.4 meters to block it hence why the full feat is better.

Piercing Blood is an attack that is faster than sound (>Mach 1) yes, but the speed and power of piercing Blood can become faster and stronger that with a greater compression/pressure on it. The original calc is fine I think.

Uraume's hands were down beforehand, they were already near the end of their movement by the time of the scan for the partial feat. The issue with the partial feat is that if Uraume's reaction speed was 78% that of Piercing Blood's speed then they wouldn't have barely reacted been able to react to it because PB has to move 6 meters while Uraume has to move 0.4 meters to block it hence why the full feat is better.

The issue with the 6m version that it isn't 100% correct. It makes arbitrary assumptions regarding Choso's distance from the field of view, and Uraume's as well, it also doesn't count Choso's arms. Another thing it assumes that Uraume moved their arms as soon it was fired, and not some time in between it's firing and reaching them. In fact the anime showcases that Uraume moves their head back as Piercing Blood comes into view then followed by the hands coming into view after which supports them being moved in between the firing and reaching them.

So while the idea they moved their hands as soon as it was fired is valid, the idea they moved some time between is just as valid if not a little more.

 

[KingTempest]

So things I can account for? Alright

 

[PowerToScale]

What do you recommend?

This depends on how things if this is valid nothing really. The standard PB would be Mach 1.5, this one that was fired at Uraume is a greater compressed version which in turn is faster and stronger and would be Mach 2.5 as found, With Uraume getting a supersonic rating, no really issues.

However, if we say that the angle is different and is wider, the results come down to Mach 1.2 and then then we can discuss the way we can work around it.

 

[Arkenis]

I have a question about the compression stuff

"The result is Mach 1.568, or 537.824 m/s" (PB speed)
This is a normal compressed PB btw, and we know that a PB being compressed can become more faster and stronger, the more you compress it.

When was this one said to be normal? He had enough time to charge it up here, is there some reason this wasn't compressed to its limit?

Meanwhile the one against Uraume is from a tired Choso and also likely still compressed to its limit as it usually is. The only time I can remember it not being compressed to its limit during Shibuya was this

 

[PowerToScale]

I have a question about the compression stuff

When was this one said to be normal? He had enough time to charge it up here, is there some reason this wasn't compressed to its limit?

Meanwhile the one against Uraume is from a tired Choso and also likely still compressed to its limit as it usually is. The only time I can remember it not being compressed to its limit during Shibuya was this

The one against Uraume was said to be using his full strength, we also a visual difference as his hands glow this time instead of just being normal like when fired it at Yuji, then Kamo's statement on how strong it is. This is further shown in the anime where Choso's one against Uraume literally steams, turns his hands hot red and showing his veins popping out.

The one against Uraume was his full strength and visually showcases him compressing it more than the standard ones.

 

[M3X_2.0]

The standard PB would be Mach 1.5

May I ask why?

However, if we say that the angle is different and is wider, the results come down to Mach 1.2 and then then we can discuss the way we can work around it.

So it’d mean that the average PB is faster than a “faster than average” PB, right? Leading inconsistencies as the other user pointed out above.

If we use the “average” PB speed for this one, that’d be calc stacking. Although you can calc this one normally, even if the speed is lower than the average one. Slap some “at leasts” or “likely higher” and as a bonus it’d be easier to upscale them to the next tier.

 

[Arkenis]

The one against Uraume was said to be using his full strength, we also a visual difference as his hands glow this time instead of just being normal like when fired it at Yuji, then Kamo's statement on how strong it is. This is further shown in the anime where Choso's one against Uraume literally steams, turns his hands hot red and showing his veins popping out.

The one against Uraume was his full strength and visually showcases him compressing it more than the standard ones.

Yeah but we already know PB has a condensed limit, are you arguing a tired Choso was now able to go beyond its prior limit due to him saying full strength, a statement that can easily be taken as him just going to the limit, and not that he unlocked a new full strength. The glow is just visuals, to make it cooler, its an intense moment after all, really shouldn't be taken as anything else, same with the steam.

Kamo's just calling it powerful blood manipulation, and considering we haven't seen what the Kamo clan has to offer besides Kamo, this statement doesn't mean much, this is just one blood manipulator complimenting another blood manipulator power with the technique that's famous in the clan and likely isn't used by all.

 

[PowerToScale]

May I ask why?

This here.

So it’d mean that the average PB is faster than a “faster than average” PB, right? Leading inconsistencies as the other user pointed out above.

If we use the “average” PB speed for this one, that’d be calc stacking. Although you can calc this one normally, even if the speed is lower than the average one. Slap some “at leasts” or “likely higher” and as a bonus it’d be easier to upscale them to the next tier.

It depends, I believe this the wider part ot not be part of the cone itself, as reasoned above. However, assuming wider part is part of it would mean that a "faster than average" is slower than a standard which as you said would create an inconsistency . This is only for the wider version being used.

I'm not sure on the calc stacking as the calc was done to find the speed itself, applying it would be the same as applying sound speed to a sound attack. Only difference we calculated for the speed here specifically. I guess it's a bit of grey area.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah but we already know PB has a condensed limit,

Just curious where it was stated it has condensed limit.

 

[Arkenis]

Just curious where it was stated it has condensed limit.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You are talking about this? But we literally have statement for Kamo POV where Choso compression is Stronger than his. So for this I believe it's talking about compression limit for user not the technique itself. Also Fanbook statement for increasing the speed with more compression backs it up that it's only talk about user compression limit.

 

[PowerToScale]

Yeah but we already know PB has a condensed limit, are you arguing a tired Choso was now able to go beyond its prior limit due to him saying full strength, a statement that can easily be taken as him just going to the limit, and not that he unlocked a new full strength. The glow is just visuals, to make it cooler, its an intense moment after all, really shouldn't be taken as anything else, same with the steam.

It's condensed to the limit of the user, stronger characters have more greater limits. regardless, being tired or not, statements of him going all out and visual show that his limit was much greater than what was shown against Yuji. Also you can't just "visual = cool" to dismiss something that isn't that case. there's a clear distinguished level of power between the PB against Yuji and Uraume, same with anime that quite literally shows his own body turning red from the steaming blood, and his veins are popping. If thats the case everything is for the sake of cool.

Kamo's just calling it powerful blood manipulation, and considering we haven't seen what the Kamo clan has to offer besides Kamo, this statement doesn't mean much, this is just one blood manipulator complimenting another blood manipulator power with the technique that's famous in the clan and likely isn't used by all.

Not really, Kamo is someone who know piercing blood, and a has fired it I have a Mach 1.3 off site calc). And because Choso's Piercing blood is more powerful than his it would be stronger and faster.

 

[Arkenis]

It's condensed to the limit of the user, stronger characters have more greater limits. regardless, being tired or not, statements of him going all out and visual show that his limit was much greater than what was shown against Yuji. Also you can't just "visual = cool" to dismiss something that isn't that case. there's a clear distinguished level of power between the PB against Yuji and Uraume, same with anime that quite literally shows his own body turning red from the steaming blood, and his veins are popping. If thats the case everything is for the sake of cool.

When was it said stronger characters have greater limits? And him being tired would mean he actually can't go to the limit to condense it now, which would mean "full strength" is in reference to what he can do at the moment, not that he got stronger an hour or so later.

No sorry the anime isn't here to be used for determining how we should interpret Gege's work, its got little to no influence from him unless there's some interview explaining he worked on details for this arc specifically. But regardless the source material should be taken and it doesn't show any steam.

 

[PowerToScale]

When was it said stronger characters have greater limits? And him being tired would mean he actually can't go to the limit to condense it now, which would mean "full strength" is in reference to what he can do at the moment, not that he got stronger an hour or so later.

No sorry the anime isn't here to be used for determining how we should interpret Gege's work, its got little to no influence from him unless there's some interview explaining he worked on details for this arc specifically. But regardless the source material should be taken and it doesn't show any steam.

The fact that his is more powerful would mean that he has greater limits. That's the whole point of piercing blood compressing it and then shooting it, if someone can make it stronger than another person, then they would have a greater limit because you would need to compress it more than the other person. You're also assuming he was using compressing it to his limit against Yuji.

The anime is secondary canon when it comes to scene in that are also in the manga, if not contradicted they can be used as support, which this it doesn't. Gege is closely related to the anime production providing feedback and discussing with the anime team about the direction of scenes, he's been doing this since season 1.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

What do you recommend?

Idk. As long as it ain't something that goes against the narrative maybe? that's the most important thing imo.

 

[Arkenis]

The fact that his is more powerful would mean that he has greater limits. That's the whole point of piercing blood compressing it and then shooting it, if someone can make it stronger than another person, then they would have a greater limit because you would need to compress it more than the other person. You're also assuming he was using compressing it to his limit against Yuji.

Thats what's said when its shown.

 

[PowerToScale]

Thats what's said when its shown.

That is talking about it in general about the technique, this also gets contradict if you assume ever single Piercing Blood is fired at its limit as Choso himself fires one when it wasn't compressed to its limit. Piercing Blood can be fired a different levels of compression, with the greater compressing making it fast and stronger. Choso's one against Uraume was his full strength because 1) it was said, and 2) visual depictions support it and 3) the anime as a secondary source also showcases the same thing.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

BLOOD MANIPULATION (赤血操術 - sekketsu sōjutsu)
The Kamo clan’s inherited technique of manipulating blood.

A technique that allows the user to manipulate and attack with blood reinforced with cursed energy. It’s possible to create a myriad of moves by combining techniques from Blood Manipulation, like Piercing Blood, which takes the blood that was compressed using Convergence, and then launches it at the opponent at supersonic speeds.

— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.

If anyone needs the Fanbook statement.