Upgrade For Thor To Multi-Solar System level with Galaxy level energy absorption, Low 2-C godblast & High 1-B with Odinforce?

[LordWhis]

He has consistently been portrayed as more powerful than a starving Galactus who has demonstrated this much (4-A) power.

He has absorbed galaxy-level energies.

He was able to somewhat damage Exitar, a high-end 2-C with Godblast.

He managed to land a critical hit on The Chaos King, a High 1-B & one-shot Chaos War Herc with the Odinforce. His future self could also somewhat compete with Gorr, a being who could 'kill every single god in every single timeline', since each timeline in Marvel is a universe, that means he could affect the entire infinite-dimensional marvel multiverse.

 

[LordWhis]

He was also stated by Warlock to be 1 of the most powerful beings in the entire universe (in which 4-B characters are a dime a dozen), & was casually stomping the entire Infinity watch on his own, a 4-A showing.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Killing Gods across an infinite multiverse is not a High 1-B feat, as there is huge difference between travelling throughout / affecting the regular Multiverse and doing the same to all of its higher dimensions

 

[Promestein]

Thor injuring the Chaos King at all is PIS / outlier

His consistent showings are far below that.

 

[Fankid]

I've actually had this discussion with Ant, he said it's more consistent for Herald level opponents to be Solar system, not just through feats of their own, but as a collective.

Being high into normal solar system level makes sense instead of multi solar system level, as they have some what faced off against a weakened Galactus (not talking about odin powered thor vs galactus btw), though he can easily overpower them.

That God Blast ability is pretty inconsistent, as it once managed to stop the Juggernaut without hurting him, but then hurt an extremely powerful celestial, so that says that Hulk is stronger than the god blast, and Exitar.

Promestien is right, as Odin and Zeus level beings can be killed by normal Chaos king, who Odin force Thor consistently rivals, even surpassing in another time line.

 

[LordWhis]

@Ultima Reality

That is still an infinite x infinite x infinite x infinite x infinite ..... & so on unto infinity no. of gods whose combined power that is infinite x infinite x infinite x...... so, High 1-B

But what about 4-A Regular Thor with 3-C energy absorption & Low 2-C Godblast for which the feats are much more straightforward ?

@Fankid

I've always seen Thor as a trans-tier, not a herald.

 

[Fankid]

What's Trans tier, is it Transdimensional? If so, that's an extremely outlierish thing.

Herald level is far more consistent, scaling from Hulk, Gladiator, Nova, etc, who are Silver Surfer Level.

 

[LordWhis]

Thor has always been portrayed as starved galan's superior, often to the point of outclassing him.

One-shotting Skyfather Herc still makes him 3-A, if not High 3-A, it can be argued his fight against a 'feasted' G makes him a 2C

 

[Fankid]

He's definitley in the same league as Silver Surfer, even if outclassing him, which even if he does, is likely due to his hammer, a weapon which actually outclasses Hulk in Thor's hands.

Did Odin force Thor or normal Thor do that? Odin and comparable characters can be 2-C, however, Zeus, who's Odin Level, got one shot by Base Chaos King, so they don't fit the 1-B tier.


I'll admit, Thor could be low Multi Solar Sytem, but his hammer increases his strength alot, so it's hard to really say.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Just let me say that using Galactus, whose power fluctuates between appearances, is not the best idea.

> Starving Galan was Planet for being knocked around by Thing before Matt made the massive upgrade

 

[LordWhis]

trans tiers are between herald and skyfather, like thanos and depowered tyrant.

 

[Fankid]

Thanos is so inconsistent it's insane, even tanking attacks which killed celestials, and versions of himself with the infinity gauntlet, it's the most consistent with power scaling that he's above, not vastly so, Herald levels, also Tyrant was Skyfather before being nerfed so bad by Galactus that dozens of power cosmic orbs couldn't get him there, nor could a massive one.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@Ultima Reality

That is still an infinite x infinite x infinite x infinite x infinite ..... & so on unto infinity no. of gods whose combined power that is infinite x infinite x infinite x...... so, High 1-B

No, to be High 1-B, you have to exist in an Infinite-dimensional level of existence, or transcend an infinite-dimensional plane; simply combining the power of infinite amounts of 3-D / 4-D / whatever D that is below Infinite-dimensional beings is not enough to reach this level

 

[LordWhis]

@Fankid

I never said that trans tiers were vastly beyond heralds, they are a bit stronger than them, high-end solar system vs low end multi

 

[LordWhis]

what about the galaxy level energy absorption ? that atleast has a clear feat.

 

[LordWhis]

@Fankid

When we talk about Thor's power don't we include Mjolnir, since that is his standard equipment, without it he'd be like Iron Man without his suit. Its power is pretty much a part of his power.

 

[Antvasima]

Starving Galactus only used to be planet level back in the early days of Marvel Comics when Thor drove him away with the god-blast.

Harming a being that had destroyed the multiverse with a lightning bolt is extremely idiotic writing.

One of the most powerful beings in the universe is obvious hyperbole for the sake of making the readers excited.

Thor only created a very tiny hole in Exitar's armor, and another writer had the Hulk and the Sentry temporarily halt the Celestial from entering the Earth's atmosphere.

The fight with Gorr made absolutely no sense, as young Thor without Mjolnir was also able to put up a fight against him, almost as well as Odinforce Thor, and given that the Hulk is officially physically stronger than Thor, it would make an awful lot of Marvel characters Multi-Galaxy level if we took it literally.

Basically, as usual, Marvel is one of the most inconsistent franchises ever created, and the writing recurrently does not even remotely make any sense. (In addition, it is currently littered with fundamentalist political propaganda, rather than focusing on entertainment.)

As such, we have to try to scale based on consistency.

That said, it is possible that we should give Thor a special higher ranking by using the god-blast, as the OBD do.

 

[Fankid]

@ Lord Whis Sorry i haven't gotten back to you, i've been at the beach.

I know, i was just saying that Thanos isn't vastly above herald level, he's not really even part of the discussion.

It's called an outlier, a good example is Superman withstanding Galaxy level attacks, then Cyborg Superman (Pre Crisis, so they are even) dies to half a Galaxy level attack, then Superman gets damaged by an attack that destroyed 10 star systems, i know it's DC, but it's just an inconsistency example, you can see the Thanos one above.

Mjolnir is used for attack potency on the wiki, him and beta ray bill destroying the portal dwarfing stars is with their hammers.

@Antvasima

The normal God Blast is a little inconsistent, i'll find some feats though, but i do remember it didn't hurt the Juggernaut at all, then it hurts far higher beings.

 

[Fankid]

His normal hammer strike at full power damaged Exitar, but his GodBlast didn't. So it's inconsistent.

 

[Fankid]

Here's some feats.

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1734842-thormjolnir52_godblast161.jpg (1024×768) implies a blast can kill a starving galactus, so it's above the level he used when fighting galactus using a little odin force.

Kills a guy as strong as him 3394777-thor-godblast+vs+dark+gods.jpg (930×741)

 

[Antvasima]

Marvel is the king or irrational inconsistency, so that is to be expected.

 

[Fankid]

A good rating for the God Blast can be Low Multi Solar System level - Low Galaxy Level.

I liked Marvel during the good period in the 80s, but now it's so political.

 

[Antvasima]

Multi-Solar System level seems reasonable, but we would need solid reasons for it. I have asked Matthew for input.

 

[Fankid]

I'll also find a few more feats and consistency.

 

[Joseph619]

A good rating for the God Blast can be Low Multi Solar System level - Low Galaxy Level.
I liked Marvel during the good period in the 80s, but now it's so political.

I only read Marvel until early 2000s. Everything after that is unreadable garbage inspired by political agenda.

 

[Antvasima]

@Joseph619

Agreed. It is mostly thoroughly awful. The only current Marvel comicbooks that I find somewhat possible to enjoy are Thor and Gwenpool.

 

[Fankid]

Marvel's worse than its 90s period, Secret Wars is proof.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"One of the most powerful beings in the universe is obvious hyperbole for the sake of making the readers excited."

I mean, he is depending on how wide you're making the list.

 

[Fankid]

I can't find anymore god blast feats, i'm a go read the chapters then.

@Matthew Schroeder

They also say the same thing about Superman, despite there being higher dimensional entities, or ones who downright would stomp him.

 

[Joseph619]

@Joseph619
Agreed. It is mostly thoroughly awful. The only current Marvel comicbooks that I find somewhat possible to enjoy are Thor and Gwenpool.

I thought Thor became a female or something? Did that change or no?

 

[LordWhis]

@Antvasima

Actually, Exitar was stopped by DS Sentry & Rogue after absorbing the power of every superhero on earth, in other words, the most unquantifiable thing ever LOL ! (Marvel really is something else isn't it ?)

Thor has beaten Starving G more recently also, & if SS is a high end 4B then there is nothing wrong consistency-wise with Thor being a low end 4A, I think he should get the upgrade, it's a really small one anyway.

Odinforce Thor really should be at least 3-A based on how easily he disposed of Skyfather Herc, & because there's always the possibility he's even stronger based on his future fight with Galactus, etc.

But we are forgetting the cleanest most straightforward showing of all. His durability should be whatever it is, 'with Galaxy-level energy absorption' like it is for a lot of characters on this wiki.

All of these showings are pretty sane and normal. Thor does have some crazy outliers, such as blocking that 1/5 universe busting blast with half his power & being able to fight evenly with Zeus. The previous feats don't seem to be as insane as these 2, & I think should be included in his profile, even if as possiblys.

Also, I think Thor should have 2 new keys- Necro Thor- High 1-B while channeling TOAA's power- 0 (If only so that we can honestly say that we have a Tier 0 superhero!)

 

[Fankid]

@Joseph

It's Jane Foster now. According to the Wiki, she's still Thor, well not Thor, she just gained Asguardian Physiology and Elder God Physiology, Thor's powers, his armor, and his hammer.

 

[Fankid]

There is a definite reasoning that Thor's God Blast could be Skyfather level, or his normal level, it's because he uses his life force into a blast, so i guess it depends on how much he uses in it?

 

[DodoNova2]

just passing through, the energy of a galaxy is only High end 4-B

the rest I do not know, I prefer that you discuss between you

 

[LordWhis]

@ Lord Whis Sorry i haven't gotten back to you, i've been at the beach.

I know, i was just saying that Thanos isn't vastly above herald level, he's not really even part of the discussion.

It's called an outlier, a good example is Superman withstanding Galaxy level attacks, then Cyborg Superman (Pre Crisis, so they are even) dies to half a Galaxy level attack, then Superman gets damaged by an attack that destroyed 10 star systems, i know it's DC, but it's just an inconsistency example, you can see the Thanos one above.

Mjolnir is used for attack potency on the wiki, him and beta ray bill destroying the portal dwarfing stars is with their hammers.

@Antvasima

The normal God Blast is a little inconsistent, i'll find some feats though, but i do remember it didn't hurt the Juggernaut at all, then it hurts far higher beings.

Enjoy the beach man !

Yeah, The god blast is seriously inconsistent. As is Juggs !

I do remember a bloodlusted Thor wrecking BRB ( & SS & Dr. Strange & the entire infinity watch) in Blood & Thunder so I'm not sure we should consider them equals.

 

[Antvasima]

@Joseph619

The comicbook itself is still decently well written, despite the politically correct angle.

@LordWhis

The Hulk empowered a force field that temporarily halted Exitar.

I do not recall him defeating starving Galactus in the current official timeline. Also, it is not a small upgrade. 4-A is technically a trillion times higher than baseline 4-B.

Matthew is planning to upgrade Odin. All other skyfather characters will be scaled accordingly.

What showing?

No, they are only "normal" by Marvel's insane and irrational standards. Gorr cannot logically both be comparable to Odinforce Thor and Mjolnir-less young Thor.

We are definitely not upgrading Thor to High 1-B. Outlandish statmeents such as these make it seem like you are trolling.

In any case, none of these claims will be accepted, and I am far too tired to be able to let you waste my time in this manner, so as such I will close this thread. I would appreciate if you do not bring up this or similar topics again.

 

[Fankid]

@Lord Whis It was quite nice, cold though.

Pretty much everything is inconsistent back then, for example, Thor has withstood Skyfather Level attacks, yet against Bor, he said that if he didn't have the Odin force he'd die.

Was Beta Rey Bill going all out though?