Upgrade for the Gods ability. Maou Gakuin

[Theglassman12]

@EldemadeDityjon that literally means nothing here without any elaboration on what they mean by the script of the world. It doesn't matter how many times you keep quoting this, if you do not bother elaborate on what the hell they're talking about and explain how it's specifically related to the literal plot, with actual showings that the narrative itself is being changed.

@Tatsumi504 Where exactly does it say that? Because I don't recall any of the scans in the OP saying it's according to plot (which just sounds like another shitty translation knowing google translate is abundant in this verse). And again, nothing about this is explicit here like an actual script being rewritten or a plot being changed. So give proof that these are tangible things that exist in the verse before you keep making these claims.

Stop bringing up other verses to this discussion, stay on topic and actually focus on hand, if Sinbad's justification is just as vague then it's not legit, but we're not talking about Magi, we're talking about MG, so actually give me evidence instead of using "whataboutism"

 

[MehrasJB]

So what is it if it's not plot? it can't be just fate.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

So what is it if it's not plot? it can't be just fate.

It could be just fate and just getting interpreted as plot possibly. Or it's just a plan. Or they're just following the order of Eques or something like that.

 

[Tatsumi504]

It could be just fate and just getting interpreted as plot possibly. Or it's just a plan. Or they're just following the order of Eques or something like that.

He literally calls it plot. Y'all are the ones bringing "whataboutism" and arguing from the point of incredulity. He says everything is according to plot. Burden of proof is on you to prove he means plan as opposed to what is written there.

@EldemadeDityjon that literally means nothing here without any elaboration on what they mean by the script of the world. It doesn't matter how many times you keep quoting this, if you do not bother elaborate on what the hell they're talking about and explain how it's specifically related to the literal plot, with actual showings that the narrative itself is being changed.

@Tatsumi504 Where exactly does it say that? Because I don't recall any of the scans in the OP saying it's according to plot (which just sounds like another shitty translation knowing google translate is abundant in this verse). And again, nothing about this is explicit here like an actual script being rewritten or a plot being changed. So give proof that these are tangible things that exist in the verse before you keep making these claims.

Stop bringing up other verses to this discussion, stay on topic and actually focus on hand, if Sinbad's justification is just as vague then it's not legit, but we're not talking about Magi, we're talking about MG, so actually give me evidence instead of using "whataboutism"

Unlike everything12 you've only brought arguments from incredulity. Worse part being you're staff. Burden of proof is on you to prove "Everything is according to the worlds plot" = plan.

And you have the gall to say I'm bringing whataboutism into this.

As I've mentioned right from the beginning!!!! I literally saw the misunderstanding happening and called it out immediately, yet here you are bringing it up again.
The plot isn't being affected! This isn't about giving a bunch of characters plot manipulation!! This is to make "Order", order in general not any specific order Plot!!!

Because I don't recall any of the scans in the OP saying it's according to plot (which just sounds like another shitty translation knowing google translate is abundant in this verse).

Literally the 1st scan in the post is the one that that says "everything is according to the world's plot.
"sounds like another shitty translation knowing google translate is abundant in this verse". Its not even google translate. It's deepl which is far better not to mention we also use other sources.

門の奥、光輝いていたデルゾゲードとエーベラストアンゼッタの輪郭がみるみる縮小していき、それは人型を象り始める。

「だめ……」

　ミーシャの声が響いた。

「戻りなさい……わたしの体でしょっ。言うことを聞きなさいっ……！」

　サーシャが叫ぶも、しかし、彼女たちは神の姿へと変わっていく。

　創造神ミリティアと破壊神アベルニユーへ。

『すべては世界の筋書き通り。デルゾゲードとエーベラストアンゼッタ。二つの城と融合すれば、それを取り返せると汝らは思ったのかもしれないが、それは私にとっても同じこと』

　ゆっくりと二人の指先が動く。

　ミーシャとサーシャは必死に抵抗しようとしているが、どうやらあちらの支配の方が幾分強いか。

『世界の歯車は、その神体に埋まっている。破壊神と創造神を奪い返そうとした彼女たちは、逆にその根源を奪われ、再び正しき秩序のしもべと化す』

　ゆっくりと二人の指先にて、魔法陣が描かれていく。

　＜創造の月＞と＜破滅の太陽＞めがけて。

Behind the gate, the shining outline of Delzogade and Eberlestein Anzetta shrinks rapidly, and it begins to resemble a human figure.

No. ......."

　Misha's voice rang out.

Go back,......, it's my body. Listen to me ......!

　Sasha cries out, but, however, the girls are transformed into their divine forms.

　They become Militia, the Creator God, and Averniou, the Destroyer God.

'All according to the world's plot. Delzogade and Aberlast Anzetta. You may have thought that by merging with the two castles, you could take them back, but it is the same for me.

　Slowly their fingertips move.

　Misha and Sasha are trying desperately to resist, but it seems that their control is somewhat stronger.

The gears of the world are buried in the body of that god. They tried to take back the God of Destruction and the God of Creation, but they were robbed of their roots and turned into servants of the righteous order once again.

　Slowly, a magic circle is drawn with their fingertips.

　＜Aimed at the Moon of Creation and the Sun of Doom.

すべては世の中の筋書き通り。
*Everything is as it should be, as the world should make sense.
*Everything is according to the world.
*Everything is according to the world's plot.

すべては世の中の
*It's all about the world
*All in the world
*Everything in the world

筋書き通り。
*As the plot goes.
*As the plot suggests.
*As per the plot.
*As the story goes.

So much for your shitty google translation excuse. How about you bring better arguments? Preferably one with has better reasons for disagreeing rather than baseless headcanons and arguments from incredulity.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Well, i kind of disagreed at first, but it does seem that order is = to a plot

 

[YoPercy]

Or it's just a plan

Have you read nothing m8?

 

[Dog3352]

One question, the order thing=plot

And for all orders? or just for the order of the Main God?

 

[MehrasJB]

One question, the order thing=plot

And for all orders? or just for the order of the Main God?

Chief gods order

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

He literally calls it plot. Y'all are the ones bringing "whataboutism" and arguing from the point of incredulity. He says everything is according to plot. Burden of proof is on you to prove he means plan as opposed to what is written there.

Him calling it plot doesn't weight's a single thing to be honest. And we're not arguing about "whataboutism" you yourself did that by mentioning sinbad. Someone saying plot could mean many different shit.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Have you read nothing m8?

No, i have read everything and still thinks it's pretty vague.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Tatsumi504 That's not how it works, the burden of proof is on you, you need to prove that the plot specifically is what they're referring to, with examples and blatant showings on top of that. Also stop screaming, it makes you look very childish and not many people are going to take you seriously, and yes you are bringing up whataboutism since you're bringing up a random other verse that has no bearing on this CRT, so stay on topic, which back on topic, you haven't proven the order is literal plot that the characters can control to the same degree that any other plot users are shown.

The first scan in the OP? Because all it says is "according to the script of the world", which doesn't tell me anything since they don't elaborate on it being plot focused as opposed to just it being a plan, which btw, alternate words for plot also has "plan and scheme", so again that doesn't really help your case here.

How about you bring better arguments?

How about you stop screaming at everyone like a child and present better arguments so I can remotely take you seriously? Because as of now you're not doing yourself any favors by making accusations towards others.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Also don't compare Sinbad's scan to Anos' because if you really clicked the scan and read it, it's more better than the scan that what you're presenting.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@EldemadeDityjon that literally means nothing here without any elaboration on what they mean by the script of the world. It doesn't matter how many times you keep quoting this, if you do not bother elaborate on what the hell they're talking about and explain how it's specifically related to the literal plot, with actual showings that the narrative itself is being changed.

Chapter 295

"God is order. The Delegate would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

Chapter 472

"Our country, Dilhied, is being attacked by a floating cogwheel monster, the Eques. The Eclipse of Doom is about to scorch and destroy our land and our world."

　The magic of the Remote Clairvoyance Rimneto is also used, and the sky above and the image of the Demon King's choir are projected on the screen.

"Eques, who calls himself the "Almighty Glitter," says that this is the order of things. Two thousand years ago, the Demon Lord of Dirkheid ended the long-running war. Peace came to the world, and people no longer lost their lives in battle."

　Ellen speaks with a gentle tune echoing behind her.

"Eques says that the price to pay is this battle. 'Ruin and creation must be as equal as possible, and the world must be destroyed little by little. For two thousand years, as much as the humans, the demons, the dragon people, the spirits, and the things that were supposed to be destroyed have not been destroyed, they must be destroyed here today. ......"

Chapter 479

"Kuhaha. You are a dullard. Your gears have the power to turn fate. Mainly of despair. It has allowed God to rule, order to be manipulated, and war to ravage the earth. But if you can interfere with despair, you can be interfered with by despair. If you convert it into a quill, it will be powered by despair to rotate. The stronger the despair, the more it will be able to turn the wheel of hope against it."

Chapter 479

"He has ruled this world for a long time. He turned the wheels of destiny, governed over order, and forced us to struggle and despair. The world's reason was bent on destruction. Not all. But many of them were the result of his handiwork. This battle, the war of 2,000 years ago, and many other conflicts were caused by the cogs in the wheel of order."

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1. Its Clearly stated Whatever set by order cannot be changed even if the future goddess can see the future and even if she can manipulate fate she can't overturn the order which is set.
2. Two thousand years back the world should have ended as for the order/Script but it didn't because Anos took Destruction from the world. And made walls and peace
3. Later Eques Literally manipulated the script where he gets back the Destruction and Creation god authority. If you ignore this I am just done.
4. There are two paragraphs literally states Eques manipulated the order and in that paragraph fate is derived or explained different way.

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"Do you think you have the upper hand? Thy power is swayed and swayed by thy surroundings. It means that you are ruled by order. And it is I who rule that order."

　The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.

"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."

　The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.

"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."

　The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.

"Defeat."

　The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.

　In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.

"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."

　An foreign order envelops me.

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Here is another scans which probably gonna ignored. Anyway posting it if anyone wants to read it. Eques clearly mentioned he ruled over the order and he literally implemented a new destiny along with an order in to 3 sided world by overturning old order.

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No matter how many times you ignore all these scans it doesn't change the fact Eques overturning the order and rewriting the script to his likings a some analogy.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Also don't compare Sinbad's scan to Anos' because if you really clicked the scan and read it, it's more better than the scan that what you're presenting.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Why do you MGK fans feel the need to get aggressive and defensive when someone disagrees with you guys or does not see something your way?.

I can never understand it, you guys should know your bias towards the series means you are inclined to want to get upgrades with little to misguided evidence, people won't agree with you everytime and that's fine.

 

[MehrasJB]

"God is order. The Delegate would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

"Our country, Dilhied, is being attacked by a floating cogwheel monster, the Eques. The Eclipse of Doom is about to scorch and destroy our land and our world."

　The magic of the Remote Clairvoyance Rimneto is also used, and the sky above and the image of the Demon King's choir are projected on the screen.

"Eques, who calls himself the "Almighty Glitter," says that this is the order of things. Two thousand years ago, the Demon Lord of Dirkheid ended the long-running war. Peace came to the world, and people no longer lost their lives in battle."

　Ellen speaks with a gentle tune echoing behind her.

"Eques says that the price to pay is this battle. 'Ruin and creation must be as equal as possible, and the world must be destroyed little by little. For two thousand years, as much as the humans, the demons, the dragon people, the spirits, and the things that were supposed to be destroyed have not been destroyed, they must be destroyed here today. ......"

"Kuhaha. You are a dullard. Your gears have the power to turn fate. Mainly of despair. It has allowed God to rule, order to be manipulated, and war to ravage the earth. But if you can interfere with despair, you can be interfered with by despair. If you convert it into a quill, it will be powered by despair to rotate. The stronger the despair, the more it will be able to turn the wheel of hope against it."

"He has ruled this world for a long time. He turned the wheels of destiny, governed over order, and forced us to struggle and despair. The world's reason was bent on destruction. Not all. But many of them were the result of his handiwork. This battle, the war of 2,000 years ago, and many other conflicts were caused by the cogs in the wheel of order."

---

1. Its Clearly stated Whatever set by order cannot be changed even if the future goddess can see the future and even if she can manipulate fate she can't overturn the order which is set.
2. Two thousand years back the world should have ended as for the order/Script but it didn't because Anos took Destruction from the world. And made walls and peace
3. Later Eques Literally manipulated the script where he gets back the Destruction and Creation god authority. If you ignore this I am just done.
4. There are two paragraphs literally states Eques manipulated the order and in that paragraph fate is derived or explained different way.

---

"Do you think you have the upper hand? Thy power is swayed and swayed by thy surroundings. It means that you are ruled by order. And it is I who rule that order."

　The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.

"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."

　The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.

"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."

　The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.

"Defeat."

　The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.

　In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.

"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."

　An foreign order envelops me.

---

Here is another scans which probably gonna ignored. Anyway posting it if anyone wants to read it. Eques clearly mentioned he ruled over the order and he literally implemented a new destiny along with an order in to 3 sided world by overturning old order.

---

No matter how many times you ignore all these scans it doesn't change the fact Eques overturning the order and rewriting the script to his likings a some analogy.

The biggest mis understanding is that they think. Order = fate.

 

[Dog3352]

Why do you MGK fans feel the need to get aggressive and defensive when someone disagrees with you guys or does not see something your way?.

I can never understand it, you guys should know your bias towards the series means you are inclined to want to get upgrades with little to misguided evidence, people won't agree with you everytime and that's fine.

I think it's mostly about saying that when mentioning "All according to the world's plot" = "All according to the world's plot."

Okay that "plot" can mean "plan", but there is literally no context that Eques is mentioning "plan", and to my knowledge, Eques doesn't mention himself as "world", unless Eques has started to speak in third person and still call itself the "world", and as far as I know, the militia world is not exactly a thinker, so assuming that Eques is mentioning "plan" and not "plot" without any context is not exactly smart .

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

The biggest mis understanding is that they think. Order = fate.

They don't think Order=Fate. They think Order=Laws of the world which was explained in the blog. Also what order does Eques represents again?

 

[GustiTalk12]

Don't make the CRT too long, draw the conclusions that we get from all of your debates?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Don't make the CRT too long, draw the conclusions that we get from all of your debates?

Whether you like it or not, it's probably gonna be long since Plot Manipulation is big ass ability that isn't just easily given to others.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

"God is order. The Delegate would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

"Our country, Dilhied, is being attacked by a floating cogwheel monster, the Eques. The Eclipse of Doom is about to scorch and destroy our land and our world."

　The magic of the Remote Clairvoyance Rimneto is also used, and the sky above and the image of the Demon King's choir are projected on the screen.

"Eques, who calls himself the "Almighty Glitter," says that this is the order of things. Two thousand years ago, the Demon Lord of Dirkheid ended the long-running war. Peace came to the world, and people no longer lost their lives in battle."

　Ellen speaks with a gentle tune echoing behind her.

"Eques says that the price to pay is this battle. 'Ruin and creation must be as equal as possible, and the world must be destroyed little by little. For two thousand years, as much as the humans, the demons, the dragon people, the spirits, and the things that were supposed to be destroyed have not been destroyed, they must be destroyed here today. ......"

"Kuhaha. You are a dullard. Your gears have the power to turn fate. Mainly of despair. It has allowed God to rule, order to be manipulated, and war to ravage the earth. But if you can interfere with despair, you can be interfered with by despair. If you convert it into a quill, it will be powered by despair to rotate. The stronger the despair, the more it will be able to turn the wheel of hope against it."

"He has ruled this world for a long time. He turned the wheels of destiny, governed over order, and forced us to struggle and despair. The world's reason was bent on destruction. Not all. But many of them were the result of his handiwork. This battle, the war of 2,000 years ago, and many other conflicts were caused by the cogs in the wheel of order."

---

1. Its Clearly stated Whatever set by order cannot be changed even if the future goddess can see the future and even if she can manipulate fate she can't overturn the order which is set.
2. Two thousand years back the world should have ended as for the order/Script but it didn't because Anos took Destruction from the world. And made walls and peace
3. Later Eques Literally manipulated the script where he gets back the Destruction and Creation god authority. If you ignore this I am just done.
4. There are two paragraphs literally states Eques manipulated the order and in that paragraph fate is derived or explained different way.

---

"Do you think you have the upper hand? Thy power is swayed and swayed by thy surroundings. It means that you are ruled by order. And it is I who rule that order."

　The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.

"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."

　The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.

"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."

　The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.

"Defeat."

　The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.

　In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.

"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."

　An foreign order envelops me.

---

Here is another scans which probably gonna ignored. Anyway posting it if anyone wants to read it. Eques clearly mentioned he ruled over the order and he literally implemented a new destiny along with an order in to 3 sided world by overturning old order.

---

No matter how many times you ignore all these scans it doesn't change the fact Eques overturning the order and rewriting the script to his likings a some analogy.

Literally all this shows is that Order is just a really high degree of fate manipulation... none of this proves plot manipulation at all. Like, this is just saying a new destiny will be created, which is explicitly fate manipulation. Yes, it is superior to the fate manipulation used by other gods, but that does not make it plot manipulation by default.

And yes, I've read the script scan, you can keep saying people are ignoring it, but the point still stands that plot/script can mean many different things (in both English and Japanese) and you're arbitrarily picking the highest possible interpretation with no evidence of that interpretation being correct.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The biggest mis understanding is that they think. Order = fate.

Don't make the CRT too long, draw the conclusions that we get from all of your debates?

"God is order. The Delegate would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

"Our country, Dilhied, is being attacked by a floating cogwheel monster, the Eques. The Eclipse of Doom is about to scorch and destroy our land and our world."

　The magic of the Remote Clairvoyance Rimneto is also used, and the sky above and the image of the Demon King's choir are projected on the screen.

"Eques, who calls himself the "Almighty Glitter," says that this is the order of things. Two thousand years ago, the Demon Lord of Dirkheid ended the long-running war. Peace came to the world, and people no longer lost their lives in battle."

　Ellen speaks with a gentle tune echoing behind her.

"Eques says that the price to pay is this battle. 'Ruin and creation must be as equal as possible, and the world must be destroyed little by little. For two thousand years, as much as the humans, the demons, the dragon people, the spirits, and the things that were supposed to be destroyed have not been destroyed, they must be destroyed here today. ......"

"Kuhaha. You are a dullard. Your gears have the power to turn fate. Mainly of despair. It has allowed God to rule, order to be manipulated, and war to ravage the earth. But if you can interfere with despair, you can be interfered with by despair. If you convert it into a quill, it will be powered by despair to rotate. The stronger the despair, the more it will be able to turn the wheel of hope against it."

"He has ruled this world for a long time. He turned the wheels of destiny, governed over order, and forced us to struggle and despair. The world's reason was bent on destruction. Not all. But many of them were the result of his handiwork. This battle, the war of 2,000 years ago, and many other conflicts were caused by the cogs in the wheel of order."

---

1. Its Clearly stated Whatever set by order cannot be changed even if the future goddess can see the future and even if she can manipulate fate she can't overturn the order which is set.
2. Two thousand years back the world should have ended as for the order/Script but it didn't because Anos took Destruction from the world. And made walls and peace
3. Later Eques Literally manipulated the script where he gets back the Destruction and Creation god authority. If you ignore this I am just done.
4. There are two paragraphs literally states Eques manipulated the order and in that paragraph fate is derived or explained different way.

---

"Do you think you have the upper hand? Thy power is swayed and swayed by thy surroundings. It means that you are ruled by order. And it is I who rule that order."

　The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.

"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."

　The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.

"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."

　The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.

"Defeat."

　The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.

　In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.

"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."

　An foreign order envelops me.

---

Here is another scans which probably gonna ignored. Anyway posting it if anyone wants to read it. Eques clearly mentioned he ruled over the order and he literally implemented a new destiny along with an order in to 3 sided world by overturning old order.

---

No matter how many times you ignore all these scans it doesn't change the fact Eques overturning the order and rewriting the script to his likings a some analogy.

They wanted proof for Eques Manipulating the script. I gave the proof. I am done with this. People are desperately trying to write their own headcanon even with these many scans. Instead of arguing with people who ignores everything just not arguing with them is better it seems.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Literally all this shows is that Order is just a really high degree of fate manipulation... none of this proves plot manipulation at all. Like, this is just saying a new destiny will be created, which is explicitly fate manipulation. Yes, it is superior to the fate manipulation used by other gods, but that does not make it plot manipulation by default.

And yes, I've read the script scan, you can keep saying people are ignoring it, but the point still stands that plot/script can mean many different things (in both English and Japanese) and you're arbitrarily picking the highest possible interpretation with no evidence of that interpretation being correct.

Nice keep going with your headcanon of fate = order without anything to back you up.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Nice keep going with your headcanon of fate = order without anything to back you up.

What order does Eques represents?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What order does Eques represents?

He is the will of the world itself.

 

[MehrasJB]

They don't think Order=Fate. They think Order=Laws of the world which was explained in the blog. Also what order does Eques represents again?

Literally all this shows is that Order is just a really high degree of fate manipulation... none of this proves plot manipulation at all. Like, this is just saying a new destiny will be created, which is explicitly fate manipulation. Yes, it is superior to the fate manipulation used by other gods, but that does not make it plot manipulation by default.

And yes, I've read the script scan, you can keep saying people are ignoring it, but the point still stands that plot/script can mean many different things (in both English and Japanese) and you're arbitrarily picking the highest possible interpretation with no evidence of that interpretation being correct.

The thing is the higher form of fate manip you talking about is already there but it's not the order. And in my opinion the order is more likely plot and not law. Because of the order of order. I don't think we can have laws for laws.

 

[Dog3352]

And again, nothing about this is explicit here like an actual script being rewritten or a plot being changed.

Once order = plot is real, it is not necessary to prove that the plot is being manipulated at that moment, an obvious reason is because order is what sustains the world, it is singularities that maintain the world, orders like the order of destruction.

All orders are present in the world, and humans, demons, spirits, etc. (Not counting the misfits) They are being limited by these orders.

Basically, even if Eques doesn't use his abilities (I think it's called the wheel of fate), everyone is still being limited by his order, because the order still exists in the world, but Eques manipulates that order with his ability, just like any God.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Because of the order of order. I don't think we can have laws for laws.

We can. It's just how fiction works. Marvel with concept of concepts comes to mind.

 

[MehrasJB]

We can. It's just how fiction works. Marvel with concept of concepts comes to mind.

Uhhhh. But concept of concept is completely different.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Nice keep going with your headcanon of fate = order without anything to back you up.

Call it whatever you ******* want, it does not matter. You are assuming that because Order is 1. a script/plot (which, may I remind you, are terms that have MANY different definitions), and 2. beyond what can be affected by normal fate manipulation, it is by definition plot manipulation. Which as I and several others keep telling you, is not something we assume by default.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Someone saying plot could mean many different shit.

Once again that's your headcanon. Comeback when you have proof that plot is not referring to plot in a story here

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Once again that's your headcanon. Comeback when you have proof that plot is not referring to plot in a story here

Hate to break it to you, but you're the one who needs proof here. You make a positive claim, you need proof of said claim. That is how debating has always worked.

 

[MehrasJB]

Call it whatever you ******* want, it does not matter. You are assuming that because Order is 1. a script/plot (which, may I remind you, are terms that have MANY different definitions), and 2. beyond what can be affected by normal fate manipulation, it is by definition plot manipulation. Which as I and several others keep telling you, is not something we assume by default.

there is a problem with that because Order (order of order) controls everyother order (which fate is a part of it but not the only thing) so you can't say it's a higher form of fate manip because fate is only part of the orders under the order of order. and the statements in the op back it up a little.

 

[Dog3352]

which, may I remind you, are terms that have MANY different definitions

plot/script can mean many different things

And again, nothing about this is explicit here like an actual script being rewritten or a plot being changed.

Even though "plot" has several meanings, a good part of them are literally a repetition, and most of them don't even make sense here, like plot being a piece of land, the only two that make sense are being the story, or being a plan.

As far as I've seen, literally the only thing you say is that "plot" has many meanings, and you say we're ignoring that, but you've repeated it so much that it's hard to ignore, and you're ignoring our arguments more than we're ignoring yours.

I will ask you one more time, could you please send me some supporting evidence where "plot" is mentioned as "plan"? I just reread basically all the chapters in which Eques appears, and in none of them does he mention any kind of plan made by Eques for that moment. And again, look at the context, "All according to the plot of the world.", first that Eques never mentioned himself as "world", and we have the various speech choices that could be used here, Eques could say things like, "All according to my plan." "All according to what I have planned." he could have mentioned himself as "I" or mentioned "plot" as literally "plan", "scheme", etc. We have many options, but he specifically mentions "plot" and "world".

And as I said in my previous comment, from the moment that order = plot actually happens, it means that the world itself is already composed of a plot, because if the order of any God is the plot, that order will exist in the whole world and will be at all times "in action", which would give even more sense to the line "All according to the plot of the world."

Why do you MGK fans feel the need to get aggressive and defensive when someone disagrees with you guys or does not see something your way?.

And I am sure that no one is angry because of the fact of disagreement...but because of the repetition of the same shit...if you keep going around in circles with the same argument without any source of support...it will only be an appeal to ignorance...

Note: Eques is not the world itself...his order is the will of the world...he was mentioned as the Almighty Lordship...God of Gears...Almighty Brilliance...King of the Gods...Militia World Chief God...Will of the World...but he was never mentioned by himself or any other character as being the "world" itself...which makes this one of him saying it was all according to his plan a very bad argument...because he doesn't mention himself as the world...he only mentions himself as "the will of the world".

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

there is a problem with that because Order (order of order) controls everyother order (which fate is a part of it but not the only thing) so you can't say it's a higher form of fate manip because fate is only part of the orders under the order of order. and the statements in the op back it up a little.

...Okay? That still doesn't prove plot manipulation....

 

[Tatsumi504]

That's not how it works, the burden of proof is on you, you need to prove that the plot specifically is what they're referring to, with examples and blatant showings on top of that.

I've already accepted that actually. I doubt any new evidence is going to be found until we get more chapters from the author. As an aside, how does the wiki treat fate manipulation that's beyond what normal fate manipulation can do?

Also stop screaming, it makes you look very childish and not many people are going to take you seriously, and yes you are bringing up whataboutism since you're bringing up a random other verse that has no bearing on this CRT, so stay on topic, which back on topic, you haven't proven the order is literal plot that the characters can control to the same degree that any other plot users are shown.

I already told everything12 that I was using it as a reference. You can't blame me for thinking this is enough to qualify when my reference material was even more flimsy and the wiki accepted it. Also at that point I believe I had to scream. I already sensed what was gonna happen from the start, wrote a comment to avoid future misunderstandings, yet the same mistake keeps being made over and over again. You'd get tired of that as well if you were in my shoes.

The first scan in the OP? Because all it says is "according to the script of the world", which doesn't tell me anything since they don't elaborate on it being plot focused as opposed to just it being a plan, which btw, alternate words for plot also has "plan and scheme", so again that doesn't really help your case here.

Are you going to ignore the full context I sent you before this message? Also sent you possible different translations of the line where it was used and "plan" doesn't fit in there anywhere. You'd be strawmanning at this point if you keep bringing it up. Just leave your reasoning as "the evidence provided is too vague/flimsy" not baseless headcanons and arguments from incredulity.

How about you stop screaming at everyone like a child and present better arguments so I can remotely take you seriously? Because as of now you're not doing yourself any favors by making accusations towards others.

I already addressed this above. If you were in my shoes having to say the same thing over and over again, you'd either lash out, abandon the thread which defeat the entire purpose or just be driven to madness (metaphorically) I guess.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Also don't compare Sinbad's scan to Anos' because if you really clicked the scan and read it, it's more better than the scan that what you're presenting.

Bias is literally oozing from this comment. I'd rather trust the opinion of someone who read magi from beginning to end (me) than someone who only read a scan that's metaphorical in its usage to explain the power difference between them.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Bias is literally oozing from this comment. I'd rather trust the opinion of someone who read magi from beginning to end (me) thank someone who only read a scan that's metaphorical in its usage to explain the power difference between them.

Sure cry about it, i don't really give a ******* shit about Magi the main point of that is don't ******* compare the other verse to your verse because the reason for your verse wasn't just accepted

 

[Tatsumi504]

Why do you MGK fans feel the need to get aggressive and defensive when someone disagrees with you guys or does not see something your way?.

I can never understand it, you guys should know your bias towards the series means you are inclined to want to get upgrades with little to misguided evidence, people won't agree with you everytime and that's fine.

Strangely have nothing to say against this actually. You make a good point.

And yes, I've read the script scan, you can keep saying people are ignoring it, but the point still stands that plot/script can mean many different things (in both English and Japanese) and you're arbitrarily picking the highest possible interpretation with no evidence of that interpretation being correct.

すべては世の中の筋書き通り。
*Everything is as it should be, as the world should make sense.
*Everything is according to the world.
*Everything is according to the world's plot.

すべては世の中の
*It's all about the world
*All in the world
*Everything in the world

筋書き通り。
*As the plot goes.
*As the plot suggests.
*As per the plot.
*As the story goes.

You say this while ignoring the fact that all other meanings derivable from the statement has already been shown and in no way does "plan", "scheme" fit in there. @Pain_to12 can you see what I have to go through? If they simply say that its vague/ flimsy, understandable but bringing in headcanon and arguments from incredulity despite evidence against it being right in their face is downright infuriating.

Eques neither speaks in the 3rd person, nor does he even refer to himself as the "world".
Oh yee master of the universe, bestow upon us mortals how the "world", a universe without a mind of its own and lacking all forms/ semblance of cognitive abilities, is able to "plan", "scheme" how it and its denizens move, act, operate, live. Grant us an oracle oh yee transcendent one.
What do you think of my ahide impression? @EldemadeDityjon

 

[Dog3352]

Are you going to ignore the full context I sent you before this message? Also sent you possible different translations of the line where it was used and "plan" doesn't fit in there anywhere. You'd be strawmanning at this point if you keep bringing it up. Just leave your reasoning as "the evidence provided is too vague/flimsy" not baseless headcanons and arguments from incredulity.

i don't really give a ******* shit about Magi the main point of that is don't ******* compare the other verse to your verse because the reason for your verse wasn't just accepted

You missed the main point...even as we explain this point to ourselves...we demonstrate evidence...and ask you to share your supporting evidence...you just ignored these comments from the start...and when you don't just to say "plot has many meanings"...heh...you keep appealing to ignorance...

Eques neither speaks in the 3rd person, nor does he even refer to himself as the "world".

I've been saying this since the beginning...but like I said...appeal to ignorance...