You don't seem to understand the situation apparently. we all have a reason to be here. I would not be here without a reason. No one. Would be here without a reason innit? Whether or not they would be helpful or not. This doesn't violate any site rules. Neither does my continuous response nor does questioning my apparent existence in this thread.
Well, the same could have been communiqued in a smoother way. Just a minor comment on that and moving on.
As 3 staff seem to agree and there's no opposition apparently, I'd like you to unlock the Player so I can apply the changes.
@DarkDragonMedeus, @Psychomaster35 and @Eficiente agreed with the CRT and there's not much of an opposition now.
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I have done so:
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Done. You can close this profile and CRT.I have done so:
The Player (Undertale)
The Player Entity is an enigmatic creature that influences Frisk throughout Undertale. Due to seeing Undertale's world as a mere game and its characters as fictional, they seem to lack empathy for the characters and are willing to even kill all of them just to see a different ending. While their...
Still got any time for me to place my two cents on this? Got myself some free time, so.
A bit late don't you think?
That's fine. It just means I disagree with him, too.
They should be Low 1-C as well, then.
Chara can only take the Player's SOUL with the latter's consent, otherwise, as far as we can ascertain, they can't do much to them. This is only further substantiated by how Chara goes ahead and destroys reality regardless of whether or not you agree to it (And even mocks you for thinking you were in control), while, in regards to recreating it, they just sit back if you refuse to give them your SOUL.
Fair play, then. I disagree with that point, but as you said, it's a different one from the OP's, so, may as well leave it for latter and address one thing at a time.
False equivalence. The book example is a thing because of the information in said book being fictional, the characters there do not exist as ink literally. In this case however, Undertale characters literally exist as data files like in DDLC. R>F cases should be evaluated from verse, not because seeing as fiction = Auto Higher D.
This makes literally 0 sense. They're an entity supposed to be the representation of us, not literally us. They're perfectly a 4Th Dimensional being as in-verse they're literally larger than a 4D world.
Something contradicting your points does not mean that it should be changed. It's just an example of the wiki not taking every Real World as literally Transcendent for every verse existing.
This doesn't mean that Chara doesn't scale once they have the Soul. Both humans and monsters get a big boost whenever they take a Soul, and this means Chara is Low 1-C, however this is contradicted from being being still bound in their 4D world and being still unable to leave it.
Read above.
It does not change my point buddy. Undertale exists as datas, not literal fiction like Ultima is suggesting. Adn data is still 3D compared to us.
And the same applies here. There needs to be evidence of the characters in the Undertale world existing as electrical signals in a literal manner, and, as it turns out, the Player being able to mess around with the gameworld by controlling data files is not that, not any more than an author entity manipulating a lower world by changing the writing on a piece of paper is. We don't really default cases like this to the scenario you are claiming here.
The Player was upgraded to Low 1-C, to begin with, was on the basis that they are the literal player of the game as contextualized inside of the verse, a basis that you still seem to abide by, given your claim that they see the gameworld as computer data in a literal sense, and usage of the Dirty Hacker Ending as evidence of such. That point contradicts the ones laid out in the OP, as far as I can tell.
Chara never really absorbed the SOUL of the Player, I don't think. It's never really stated if they do anything with it (Outside of hijacking Frisk), so, I don't think that gives you much leeway here. Although you can, of course, correct me if I am wrong. Even humoring this, though, it doesn't really mean much. You can be Tier 1, or 2, or whatever, and still be ontologically bound/equal to a lower-tiered reality (SMT protagonists being a nice example of this. Or, really, any character who is higher-tiered by virtue of beating up a higher being without being of the same nature as this being)
Wait aren't we literally getting a special ending by affecting data?
Chara literally destroys the game deleting all its files on screen. That's more than enough evidence.
And I claim that literal data is not infinitely lower, as data characters are 10-C, not 11-A here. Seeing as datas is not evidence for dimensional gap, just size gap. And they are not the literal player, no one has ever said that and if that was accepted it should be changed because they're just what is supposed to take our place, but is still a in-verse entity like the DDLC real world is not literally ours but just the DDLC version of it, which exists only in said verse.
What I still mean is that Chara is still technically bound from the rules of said world, being unable to truly leave it and the Player literally cannot overcome Chara's commands on the game (unless you count the non-canon editing) until they give the soul. If Chara was that much weaker, then the Player would have 0 issues at opposing them and restore the game anyway via their own manipulation and reset.
It literally was. Nothing of what Ultima says proves an infinite superiority, but just UT being literal electronic data.
None of them seems to have sided Ultima, and Eficiente is strongly against Ultima's standards even now, given that he seems to want to even upgrade this character to Low 1-C just because it contradicts his ways, as the Wiki clearly does not treat simulations/datas as dimensionally inferior, but rather just smaller on a finite degree (USBs don't hold infinite datas after all).
It's been only a couple hours since I sent my last message, and I'm typing the next one as we speak (Having just gotten home). I'm not sure why we'd want to rush this out.
I mean, you appeared at the last second after the changes were applied and none of the staff appeared ngl. Is pretty frustrating if you ask.
I have called @Moritzva as well.
I understand that much, yes. But as far as I can tell, I've brought up points that haven't been raised before, and which we are still in the process of discussing (Some of my own even being misunderstood up there). Given the thread wasn't even closed yet when I appeared, I don't see much of a reason to close this. Making another CRT in response to this one would be just redundant.
Okay.
There are not many Player beings like UT and Stellaris case. Minecraft one got deleted too.
Yeah, something being code is not the same as being lower dimensional.
Thank you for helping out.
The OP was accepted, but Ultima wants to undo this revision.
Let me look at it
