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Undertale CRT: 2-C and FUN Values
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gotchu 
Sans015
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Strawmanning me. Never said that.
This is not the case here, I already proved the lines are the same.
The mocking is childish and akin to your mental state of pushing an agenda. Be polite, and debate like an adult please.
Again, you are screaming at ghosts, there is nothing ***** about the translation here.
Because the translation was made by Toby himself and was stated to have effort from the man himself so the lines remains the same whenever possible. It was possible here, only the jokes were altered if they were too cultural.
The original line says the timelines are stopping and starting.
The japanese line says the timelines are stopping and moving again.
Starting can mean "starting to move after stopping",
the correct interpretation is that the protagonist can stop a timeline and make it move again with one of their powers.
You also admit the line can be interpreted in multiple ways yet you're picking a version with no support for 2-B.
Then leave.
You have provided zero reasoning as to why you disagree with it, you just do. You've done nothing but lie about what my arguments are. You have a bias. That is just a fact.
Now quit replying to me, I do not want to clear up no misconceptions of yours no longer, you are disrespectful.
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I like how you consider the Japanese translation to be relevant when the game was originally created and released in English.
That is to say, the Japanese translation isn't needed and shouldn't be used, because the English version is the original work. This isn't an anime, or a manga, or a JRPG, or whatever else Japan-originating. This is an English-originating game, and therefore we use the English version for our interpretations of the work, meaning you trying to bring in other translations is utterly useless and irrelevant.
That is to say, the Japanese translation isn't needed and shouldn't be used, because the English version is the original work. This isn't an anime, or a manga, or a JRPG, or whatever else Japan-originating. This is an English-originating game, and therefore we use the English version for our interpretations of the work, meaning you trying to bring in other translations is utterly useless and irrelevant.
Sans015
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Drop it, I already conceded. You will ignore the author's intent if it's another language, I get it, just drop it. You can cope about your interpretation of the facts being utterly incompatible with Toby's by adding this to your site. I get it.
Just.
Drop.
It.
Go on with your agendas and bias. I do not care, I won't be touching this work any longer.
Just.
Drop.
It.
Go on with your agendas and bias. I do not care, I won't be touching this work any longer.
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I am uncertain why the term "timeline" is being replaced with "flow of time," particularly when the former already exists as a well-established term.
However, it appears to be a mere mistranslation as the source also uses the phrase "many flow of times," which does not align with the definition of "flow of time" and reinforces the necessity of using "timeline" instead.
However, it appears to be a mere mistranslation as the source also uses the phrase "many flow of times," which does not align with the definition of "flow of time" and reinforces the necessity of using "timeline" instead.
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He already conceded bro.
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*Sis.
But yeah, no point in going over that again, since English version takes priority.
ShionAH
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Do we take game mechanics in undertale as laws of the universe?
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I mean he conceded, but it does not seems he is convinced with it (since his message sounds aggressive), though I was interested only to know why exactly he brought topic. That's all
Because his premise is its translated to flow of time while there is other line implies timeline, so I was not understanding his point.
Because his premise is its translated to flow of time while there is other line implies timeline, so I was not understanding his point.
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Unless they're canonically described and portrayed as such, no.
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They need to be canon before discussing their role in the game.
ShionAH
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They canon to the lore. Froggits talk about it, toriel does, frisks whole gimmick is about game mechanics etc
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Only those specific game mechanics which are taken as canon, aka:
- Save and Load
- Check Stats
ShionAH
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Doesnt sans manipulate the text too? (Yes I am trying to find a limited law manip sue me
)
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I think you mean Photoshop Flowey, when he changed the name of the game and the save file, but you don't need to go metafictional for that.Doesnt sans manipulate the text too? (Yes I am trying to find a limited law manip sue me
But yeah, Sans should have limited law hax because of him being able to extend the turn.
ShionAH
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Oh no. When fighting sans the text sometimes turns into = “Maybe reading this isnt the best use of your time.” Sans attacking the menu is the reason its not the best use btw it makes it more likely for players to get hit if they read it
I already had a crt on this in the past. You should remake or I can if you cant
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There's no evidence is Sans the one doing it, it's more Chara/Frisk thinking to themselves, given those flavor text appear in other major fights.
Link for that?
ShionAH
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Why would chara and frisk try to trick themselves though-
It died a some time ago So I moved on to another CRT with Air manip and INV negation but you can make the law manip one with scans and stuff
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But there's no misinformation in the flavor text though. Because reading that flavor text really isn't the best thing to do, given that Sans attacks your soul even in the fight menu between turns.Why would chara and frisk try to trick themselves though-
ShionAH
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Theres no misinformation true but it doesnt make sense for Chara or Frisk to do this since making it blank would be a better idea. Plus it fits sans personality alot but I see what you mean…
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It's still them thinking to themselves.
Better to play safe than sorry, because assuming Sans did it is still an assumption with no real basis.
ShionAH
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Yeah I understand. Are you gonna make the CRT for Law Hax?
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Maybe later on today. Can't use PC rn.
ShionAH
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Should we make all the hax in 1 CRT? Comment the law hax here so I can add it to the OP
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If you want to add it to the OP sure then.
ShionAH
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It would be easier to manage
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For text manipulation, you don't need metaficional context.
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... it's literally what I said.
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Man. that made a big turn around. we went from 2-B, low 2-C, 2-C, back to 2-B.
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Asriel actually went from 2-A to 2-B to Low 2-C to 2-C and now 2-B lol.
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When in the holy grail were the god tiers 2-A
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2016.When in the holy grail were the god tiers 2-A
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Of course it was 2016.
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I think even Undyne was Tier 2 at some point.
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It was in the times where Chara has conceptual AE, both Chara and Asriel were Omnipresent, Photoshop Flowey and Frisk were 2-B, the Immeasurable reason was because of PF "crossing timelines", Sans was 2-B with Immeasurable speed, Tsunderplane was 7-C.
I don't know which was cringier between "Undyne = Chara = 2-B because 99 ATK" or "Photoshop Flowey > Chara coz 9999 LV vs 20 LV".
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can you believe it guys? Tier 7 UNDERTALE only three weeks away!
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