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Undead Ban vs Saber (Fate/stay night)

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Burning Full Fingers said:
Doesn't Excalibur atomize?
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Dosent matter.saber is in her regular state of mind and would probably be a LOT more generous and knight-like when fighting ban.ban on the other hand would rapidly weaken saber and saber would probably be weak to the point that she can't use excalibur efficiently,ban's nature as an assasin proves he's a lot more mobile and sneaky than saber.ban would rip out her heart without her noticing in the first place

Depending on the circumstances ban should win
 
Ban wouldn't use his powers at the beginning too. Also, if Saber attacks him and notices that she can't get past his Regenerationn, she might utilize Excalibur. It doesn't really matter if Ban weakens Saber. Even a Mountain level Excalibur would atomize him. Also, don't see Ban's sneak attacks working on her because of her precognition.

Regardless, I will wait to see if the Fate experts will notice the thread as I'm currently not sure about Excalibur being able to atomize.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Ban wouldn't use his powers at the beginning too. Also, if Saber attacks him and notices that she can't get past his Regenerationn, she might utilize Excalibur. It doesn't really matter if Ban weakens Saber. Even a Mountain level Excalibur would atomize him. Also, don't see Ban's sneak attacks working on her because of her precognition.

Regardless, I will wait to see if the Fate experts will notice the thread as I'm currently not sure about Excalibur being able to atomize.
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Can i get a scan or video of some sort that proves excaliburs atomization prowess.as far as i saw in fate/zero it looks as if excalibur disintegrates or evaporates the foe? Which a foe like ban can survive

Also ban is ruthless and his nature as an assasin provides him a lot of advantages.Have you seen how quick ban was able to pull out a heart of a demon? If the demon did not have a second heart he would have been done for
 
Well, I'm not Fate expert. But I think I sure that Saber can kill Ban with Excalibur.

Can you remeber about Saber destroyed Caster's Gigantic Horror and killed him in Fate Zero? Data from Type Moon wiki stated that Excalibur quickly incinerates the Gigantic Horror by annihilating every single atom of its flesh. And this wiki specified that Caster's profile has high level regen for Gigantic Horror and Ban profile has at least low-high regen. That's mean Gigantic Horror's regen >>>>> Ban's regen. this's prove that Saber can destroy every single atom and give the death to Ban with her Excalibur.
 
Here's the F/Z novel part on Excalibur's atomization properties.

Fate/Zero, Vol.3, Act 10, Pages 98/99
"Excalibur!"

The light roared. Prana, accelerated by the released dragon factor, became a streak of light, a swirling and surging torrent that devoured the sea demon together with the dark night. A silent scream rose from the evaporating river water as every single atom of the giant sea demon—once the embodiment of terror—was exposed to the scorching impact.

In the center of the sea demon being burnt to cinders, Caster wordlessly watched this moment of white blinding annihilation which had stolen his heart.
Also Saber has been shown to start the fight with an Excaliblast as shown in her fight against Iskandar where she activated it "instantaneously"

Fate/Zero, Vol.4, Act 14, Page 95
The King of Conquerors' direct attack sent a shiver down Saber's spine. The rushing of the divine bulls had covered the hundred- meter distance instantaneously. In the blink of an eye, the might of Gordius Wheel manifested before her eyes. If the hilt of her precious sword had still been in her hand, she would have been certain of victory; facing the golden radiance raised by Rider, there was only one true name she could shout. "Ex—" As the rushing incarnation of thunder was about to trample Saber's small frame ... "—Calibur!" Golden lightning, with the radiance of countless comets, lit up the night like day.
As for Ban's invisibility, her Instinct skill grants her precognition and the ability to quickly analyze and capitalize on opening, however small they are. It also reduces the effectiveness of any visual or hearing handicaps she may have.
 
The problem is if Ban would steal Saber's heart before she could dodge it or something. I'm not sure but didn't she sort of dodge Gae Bolg?
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
The problem is if Ban would steal Saber's heart before she could dodge it or something. I'm not sure but didn't she sort of dodge Gae Bolg?
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She did dodge it thanks to her high luck stat. It's the "power to change one's fate". It helps against one shot-moves like Gae Bolg.
 
Well logically it should, but since this is a different verse, it's anyone's guess ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»
 
In the end this is all about who attacks first...Excalibur has a LONG cast time far longer any of ban's attacks,saber casting Excalibur is literally a HUGE opening for ban
 
Yomi Schwarz said:
In the end this is all about who attacks first...Excalibur has a LONG cast time far longer any of ban's attacks,saber casting Excalibur is literally a HUGE opening for ba
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I thought I already addressed this.
 
Ripping out Saber's heart wouldn't kill her, since Avalon's passive regen is Low-Mid. He would need to decapitate her to kill her. If his go-to move is to rip the heart out, he's getting atomized.
 
NotEvenHuman said:
Ripping out Saber's heart wouldn't kill her, since Avalon's passive regen is Low-Mid. He would need to decapitate her to kill her. If his go-to move is to rip the heart out, he's getting atomized.
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That's what vanishing kill is for,don't underestimate ban's assasin prowess
 
Reppuzan said:
@Yomi Schwarz

Excalibur's charging time is usually treated for dramatic effect. If she needs to get it off fast, she can do so faster than Gilgamesh can charge Enuma Elish, which takes just two words.
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Also @reppuzan in character will saber even dish out an attack of that magnitude from the start? Isn't her character more of the noble knight who seeks to test out her enemies t'ill the end or something?

I don't think saber will be satisfied winning with just one excaliblast
 
Also think about the surroundings real quick.

Ban is focused on close-quarters assassination techniques most of his moves needs to be on range with his enemy whilst maintaining mobility in case he gets caught

If so releasing Excalibur would be risky for saber close range no? And by the time saber says the first word and lifts up her sword ban may have decapitated her head already ^_^
 
@Yomi Schwarz

Normally she blasts her opponents with the Hammer of the Wind King before charging Excalibur, so she can easily slam him with that first.

Saber enjoys a fight, but she prioritizes winning and survival. If Ban is coming to kill her, she'll respond with everything she has.
 
@Yomi I'm not underestimating his skill as an assassin, but it looks like you're ignoring Saber's precogntion. Good luck assassinating someone when they know when and how you'll try it.

It is focused in a single direction, but it also has a very huge AoE in that direction. And as Reppu mentioned, she could always use Strike Air to distract him. Yes, she would do it from the start if she thought it was necessary. And that's exactly what she's going to do if Ban weakens her enough.

You're also assumng Ban would go for the kill as soon as the fight starts, and that he knows exactly what he needs to do in order to kill Saber. Even though it's noted in his profile that he doesn't take things seriously sometimes, and he obviously takes pleasure in fighting and, if that image of Physical Hunt in his profile is any indication, stealing powers. I say there's a much higher chance of him not taking the fight seriously enough until it's too late.

Saber usually only cares about chivalry if the opponent does the same, and Ban definitely doesn't. As soon as he tries (and fails) to assassinate her, she's going to drop chivalry and go for the kill.
 
This fight is determined by who uses their special move first, Hunter Fest and Saber's excalibur beam.

Saber prefers to fight honorably with her sword than using that attack and Ban likes to mess around so neither will go use it early in the fight.

Like I said Ban likes to mess around so he will more than likely not be going for the kill especially if Saber challenges him to duel since he will see that as more fun.

While fighting Saber has the advantage since Ban doesnt take things seriously but due to his regen and snatch in the long run would end up losing.

Saber's trump card is hard to dodge yes but no one cen dispute it has a charge time even if small. Ban could easily steal her sword mid charge up with snatch.

Saber on the other hand has no real counter to Hunter Fest.

Im not saying Saber cant win because she definitely can, what I believe is Ban has the slightly better chance.
 
@Radical

Noble Phantasms can be dissolved into dust and reconstituted back in a Servant's hands, so that's of limited effectiveness.

In addition, Snatch is a type of magic, so Saber would naturally have resistance to it.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Radical

Noble Phantasms can be dissolved into dust and reconstituted back in a Servant's hands, so that's of limited effectiveness.

In addition, Snatch is a type of magic, so Saber would naturally have resistance to it.
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Even if that's the case it would give ban enough time to use assualt hunt and instantly grind saber into grounded pork

The magic NNT has is in no way the same as FT.they tend to use this thing called "mana" if im not mistaken whilst in NNT non-magic casters like ban has no mention of this element of sorts what makes you thnk outside resistance elements can effectively work as much in here.even meliodas who has the highest endurance/resistance to magic in the series was brought weak a few moments after hunter fest

Here are my counter-claims.

Saber has pre-cog Like i said.pre cog is not absolute and the user would have a hard time coordinating their physical/mental reaction time on someone who is mobile/swift and on the same speed magnitude

Saber would use _______ and get this over with Almost all attacks i see on saber are flashy/fancy as hell and admit it would take longer than ban's finishers.not even a demon and a range of trained holy knights are prepared for ban's assault hunt and banishing kill finishers for ban every opening is essential and would use it while not wasting any time

Ban wouldn't go for the kill directly Ban is not as naive as you think.he only maintains his carefree and goofy style of fighting for enemies he knows the magnitude of such as melioda.during his fight with the ten commandments he was seen fighting cautiously and carefully cause not only does he know of the magnitude of there strength.but ban dosen't wanna risk dying for a fight as such ban would def. Take this srsly.if saber prefers surviving and winning ban prefers living over fighting
 
Yomi Schwarz said:
Saber would use _______ and get this over with Almost all attacks i see on saber are flashy/fancy as hell and admit it would take longer than ban's finishers.not even a demon and a range of trained holy knights are prepared for ban's assault hunt and banishing kill finishers
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You're going in circles here. I already mentioned that Saber was able to charge up Excalibur in less than an instant when she defeated Via Expugnatio.

Yomi Schwarz said:
for ban every opening is essential and would use it while not wasting any time
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Saber can do just the same with her Precog. Analyze and act upon opening however small. Case in point is when she exposed the weakness of Kojiro's Swallow Reversal, an unavoidable technique defying the very laws of physics. Admittedly, his sword was bent, but it was stated that no other Servant could notice that opening.

Yomi Schwarz said:
Ban is not as naive as you think
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Actually Ban is confident is his immortality. IIRC he has been shown to let people attack him just to amuse himself. If Saber realizes he can regenerate, she'll go directly for the Excalibur just like she did with Caster's monster.

Also it seems to me people are overestimating Ban's HF. It is clearly shown that HF has not only a capacity limit, but also a time limit as well. Ban was shown unable to drain more and was completely exhausted after the fight.

NNT1
NNT
 
Hmm... I think my decision leaning to Saber now.

But since I'm an OP. I just no comment and wait for other to decide.
 
@Yomi Schwarz

The energy required to use those abilities is literally called Maryoku, or magical power. In addition, Meliodas has never demonstrated resistance to magic, as he was subject to it on numerous occasions (such as the fight with Ruin).

As ScarletFirefly has stated, Excalibur does not take at all that long to charge in practice, and Hunter Fest has a very significant limit and drawback. Not to mention the fact that Saber's Magic Resistance should at least weaken its effects if not outright nullify it.
 
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