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Why would it be fake?
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Uncompositing the Dragon Ball Cosmology
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Hi,, can you look at my CRT please?
Serlock_Holmes
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This is the proper scan isn't it (it won't let me link images)? https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Dragon-Ball/DragonBallZ/0163-003.png
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Unofficial fanlation and taken out of context.
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Thank you both for clarifying. This should be enough proof that the movie-original content and GT aren't alternate timelines.
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This has been discussed in Page 2, and the scan you used to 'debunk' MWI in DB wasn't even used as evidence
Sinec the author describes non canon work (GT/movies) as parallel worlds, and we learn that these parallel worlds exist in Super and follow the many worlds interpretation, there is no reason for a composite cosmology to not exist and so I disagree with the OP.
I kindly ask the tagged mods to give their opinions, because DB discussions are plagued with goldfish memories and we'll be looping our way to page 16 at this rate.
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How the Wiki currently views Future Trunks's dialogue is that the difference between every single atom deciding whether or not to move in a specific direction creates another parallel world, lending itself to the many-worlds theory. However, given the context (being Gohan asking if Trunks could travel further into the past and destroy the Androids before they even awakened) and further information revealed by Super, rather than everything conceivable action and inaction creating parallel worlds, parallel worlds are explicitly and exclusively created when Time Machines are used to rewrite the course of history.
Nullflowerblush
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That last image literally says: "The more you travel in time, the more universes are created".
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Yeah; otherwise the characters being surprised by the existence of a new time ring for a new timeline would make zero sense. Billions of time rings would be created all the time if alternate timelines kept popping into existence after every choice or action.
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Then, which one is it, champ? Does time travel create parallel worlds, or does doing literally nothing create parallel worlds?
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@pineappleman That statement doesn't even connect to the diagram above it. It doesn't connect with Dragon Ball canon.
Nullflowerblush
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No, no, no, see, Gowasu was expecting 10,000 Time Rings, but he found 10,004.
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I didn't understand
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Precisely. We are given an explicit mechanism for how timelines are created. We are given an explicit number of how many timelines exist. We have characters expressing surprise when new ones are added. The movies and GT do not fit into this paradigm, you have to perform a wide range of argumentative acrobatics to try and get around this, for the sole purpose of attempting to place a square peg in a round hole for battleboarding purposes. This is the exact opposite of the kind of thing we should accept on the wiki.
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Huh. Weird.
[How Do Time Machines Work? Asking an Expert about Time Travel in Dragon Ball] | DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE
Around the beginning of Dragon Ball's Cell arc, a mysterious young man appears b
Nukki and Professor Futamase go back and forth on various topics revolving around astrophysics, relativity, and theoretical physics; like quantum mechanics and positioning, black holes and gravitational time dilation, negative mass, the speed of light, creating shortcuts that bend and rip through space-time, etc.—all real world science and its applications in, mainly, the real world and the future of science in the real world, tangentially linked to the time travel mechanics of Dragon Ball.
If this is to be accepted, then everything before Dyspo is accepted to be sub-liminal in speed, and Dyspo-level characters are accepted as having Time Travel.
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Yeah... Instead of people just voting on them being considered alternate timelines, I'd like to see them try and refute the evidence presented up above.
@Nullflowerblush I like how that article completely confirms that it is the time travel that creates alternate timelines:
@Nullflowerblush I like how that article completely confirms that it is the time travel that creates alternate timelines:
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@pineappleman;
Focus:
The part at the bottom of that section looks like it's just talking about the real world, not Dragon Ball.
He doesn't say "Even if the characters never step foot in a time machine", he says "even if you never step foot in a time machine." He's asking generally, about the real world.
Focus:
The part at the bottom of that section looks like it's just talking about the real world, not Dragon Ball.
He doesn't say "Even if the characters never step foot in a time machine", he says "even if you never step foot in a time machine." He's asking generally, about the real world.
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Both.
Time travel just ends up creating links between parallel worlds that already exist under MWI
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MWI is just not supported by the manga, who cares what this random website is saying
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How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?@pineappleman;
Focus:
The part at the bottom of that section looks like it's just talking about the real world, not Dragon Ball.
He doesn't say "Even if the characters never step foot in a time machine", he says "even if you never step foot in a time machine." He's asking generally, about the real world.
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Oh no, but not just any website, but from Dragon Ball official
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It literally is though?
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The manga has a mechanic that explicitly prohibits MWI from actuating how it does theoretically does in quantum mechanics. So the website is just wrong.
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Links in the title :3How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?
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You're just assuming that his last statement applies to Dragon Ball when it doesn't look like that at all to me.
Do you have any supporting evidence from any piece of Dragon Ball canon that choices and actions spawn countless new timelines all the time?
Because everything from the manga and the graph in that interview leads me to believe that it is just time travel that creates alternate worlds.
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The articles presents, like, eighty different possible interpretations.
Instant Transmission is Time Travel.
Okay, only eight.
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I didn't see that, where does it show?
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How about you realize that Futamase isn't an authority on Dragon Ball canon and he's only being interviewed to give real-world explanations about the physics involved here?How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?
You do realize he can say something that's contradictory to the Dragon Ball canon?
In no world are we going to take his words over what the original manga tells us.
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This is blatant headcanon designed to fill the gaps left behind by your argument.
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And you're just purposefully feigning ignorance by trying to act like the answers of the Professor explicitly brought to explain time travel and parallel worlds in Dragon Ball (hint, the name of the article is literally 'Asking an Expert about Time Travel in Dragon Ball')
This piece right here is just hilarious, because you've literally dismissed every single piece of evidence in the manga provided in this 8 page thread, evidence from the author, evidence from movie guidebooks, and have you yourself brought up NOTHING as evidence to the contrary other than the time rings, which we AGAIN have brought evidence against from the show itself that you once again chose to dismiss
We literally have every possible piece of supplementary evidence backing our viewpoint up while you have zilch, don't try to paint it any other way.
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What pieces of evidence from the manga?
I'm aware of the evidence you've claimed from the author and the guidebooks, but what evidence from the manga are you referring to?
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<DB is stated by multiple sources to operate under MWI
<Only time travel is stated to create time rings
<headcanon
Deagon, do you know how to solve this?
x+2=3
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I believe he is referring to Pilaf referring to "all different kinds of futures".
To his credit, there are at least two different futures.
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what's with the insults?
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If you're referring to me, I'm not insulting Deagon
I'm just making it clear that a third thing can be concluded from two things with logic, no 'headcanon' included.
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Hypothetically, if the many-worlds interpretation holds true, why exactly would the world of the original series and the world of the TV anime share cosmologies? There are countless different preexisting parallel worlds and an endless number of possible structures and cosmologies and mechanics. Hell, within individual universes, there exists multiple different dimensions with unique mechanics and spatiotemporal structures. For all we know, the two could be literal polar opposites. The two existing as parallel worlds amidst an infinite number of infinitely variable worlds is the furthest thing from proof of shared cosmologies.
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did you read that interview? That dude isn't talking about DB cosmology, and he's not a source for DB
the context is this is some random professor in the field talking about how a multiverse would work IRL, he's not saying "oh yeah, btw here's more canon information about the DB cosmology"
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