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Why would it be fake?Wasn't that scan fake or am I thinking of something else?
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Why would it be fake?Wasn't that scan fake or am I thinking of something else?
Hi,, can you look at my CRT please?MWI has nothing to do with canon/non-canon, so it does not mean there are no non-canon alternate timelines.
This is the proper scan isn't it (it won't let me link images)? https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Dragon-Ball/DragonBallZ/0163-003.pngWhy would it be fake?
Unofficial fanlation and taken out of context.Wasn't that scan fake or am I thinking of something else?
Unofficial fanlation and taken out of context.
This is the proper scan isn't it (it won't let me link images)? https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Dragon-Ball/DragonBallZ/0163-003.png
This has been discussed in Page 2, and the scan you used to 'debunk' MWI in DB wasn't even used as evidence
Sinec the author describes non canon work (GT/movies) as parallel worlds, and we learn that these parallel worlds exist in Super and follow the many worlds interpretation, there is no reason for a composite cosmology to not exist and so I disagree with the OP.
That last image literally says: "The more you travel in time, the more universes are created".This has been discussed in Page 2, and the scan you used to 'debunk' MWI in DB wasn't even used as evidence
That last image literally says: "The more you travel in time, the more universes are created".
Yeah; otherwise the characters being surprised by the existence of a new time ring for a new timeline would make zero sense. Billions of time rings would be created all the time if alternate timelines kept popping into existence after every choice or action.How the Wiki currently views Future Trunks's dialogue is that the difference between every single atom deciding whether or not to move in a specific direction creates another parallel world, lending itself to the many-worlds theory. However, given the context (being Gohan asking if Trunks could travel further into the past and destroy the Androids before they even awakened) and further information revealed by Super, rather than everything conceivable action and inaction creating parallel worlds, parallel worlds are explicitly and exclusively created when Time Machines are used to rewrite the course of history.
Then, which one is it, champ? Does time travel create parallel worlds, or does doing literally nothing create parallel worlds?
No, no, no, see, Gowasu was expecting 10,000 Time Rings, but he found 10,004.Yeah; otherwise the characters being surprised by the existence of a new time ring for a new timeline would make zero sense. Billions of time rings would be created all the time if alternate timelines kept popping into existence after every choice or action.
I didn't understandThis is the proper scan isn't it (it won't let me link images)? https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Dragon-Ball/DragonBallZ/0163-003.png
Precisely. We are given an explicit mechanism for how timelines are created. We are given an explicit number of how many timelines exist. We have characters expressing surprise when new ones are added. The movies and GT do not fit into this paradigm, you have to perform a wide range of argumentative acrobatics to try and get around this, for the sole purpose of attempting to place a square peg in a round hole for battleboarding purposes. This is the exact opposite of the kind of thing we should accept on the wiki.Yeah; otherwise the characters being surprised by the existence of a new time ring for a new timeline would make zero sense. Billions of time rings would be created all the time if alternate timelines kept popping into existence after every choice or action.
Even within Dragon Ball, Trunks altered his universe's history slightly by going back to the past to discover the Androids' weakness. It's this process that gives rise to multiple futures, i.e., parallel worlds.
what are you waffling on about bro@pineappleman That statement doesn't even connect to the diagram above it. It doesn't connect with Dragon Ball canon.
Both.Then, which one is it, champ? Does time travel create parallel worlds, or does doing literally nothing create parallel worlds?
How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?@pineappleman;
Focus:
The part at the bottom of that section looks like it's just talking about the real world, not Dragon Ball.
He doesn't say "Even if the characters never step foot in a time machine", he says "even if you never step foot in a time machine." He's asking generally, about the real world.
Oh no, but not just any website, but from Dragon Ball officialMWI is just not supported by the manga, who cares what this random website is saying
It literally is though?MWI is just not supported by the manga, who cares what this random website is saying
The manga has a mechanic that explicitly prohibits MWI from actuating how it does theoretically does in quantum mechanics. So the website is just wrong.Oh no, but not just any website, but from Dragon Ball official
Links in the title :3How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?
You're just assuming that his last statement applies to Dragon Ball when it doesn't look like that at all to me.How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?
At this time, we've confirmed that speeding up and slowing down the flow of time is possible. We can't manipulate it to a great extent yet, but we're able to speed it up and slow it down by a tiny fraction, which involves both the speed of light and gravity.
The problem is travelling backwards in time—that's the one we haven't figured out yet. However, there's nothing to prove we can't. It's theorized that if you take an extremely small object, say, a fundamental particle, it may be possible to send it back in time.
It could either be a craft that's capable of surpassing the speed of light, or a physical space that bends space-time and creates a 'shortcut' through it.
In the real world, it's theorized that we could create a sort of tunnel to the past. There are currently people researching what type of energy would be necessary for that to be possible.
The concept of parallel worlds originates from the study of quantum mechanics. It says that at this moment, there are infinite universes that exist, and each one of them contains one 'you'. So if there were, say, 10 universes, then you'd simultaneously exist in all of them.
That's right. If you successfully travelled to the past then attempted to return back to the point in time you started from, the universe you arrive to would not be your original one, but a parallel world where you had travelled to the past. You'd essentially be in a new universe with a different history.
So just to clarify, even if you never step foot in a time machine, the decisions you make from moment-to-moment spawn new universes...?!
Okay, only eight.——Listening to everything you've spoken about so far, I thought of something else I'd like to ask you about. After his battle with Frieza, Goku travels to Planet Yardrat, where he learns how to use Instant Transmission. I have a feeling that Instant Transmission works in a similar way to a time machine, but what do you think?
Prof. Futamase: It's exactly the same. If you interpret Instant Transmission as movement faster than the speed of light, then Planet Yardrat must've found a way to overcome the gravitational restraints.
I didn't see that, where does it show?The manga has a mechanic that explicitly prohibits MWI from actuating how it does theoretically does in quantum mechanics. So the website is just wrong.
How about you realize that Futamase isn't an authority on Dragon Ball canon and he's only being interviewed to give real-world explanations about the physics involved here?How about you reread Futamase's answers, and realize that his answers apply to both the real world and Dragon Ball simultaneously?
This is blatant headcanon designed to fill the gaps left behind by your argument.Time travel just ends up creating links between parallel worlds that already exist under MWI
And you're just purposefully feigning ignorance by trying to act like the answers of the Professor explicitly brought to explain time travel and parallel worlds in Dragon Ball (hint, the name of the article is literally 'Asking an Expert about Time Travel in Dragon Ball')You're just assuming that his last statement applies to Dragon Ball when it doesn't look like that at all to me.
This piece right here is just hilarious, because you've literally dismissed every single piece of evidence in the manga provided in this 8 page thread, evidence from the author, evidence from movie guidebooks, and have you yourself brought up NOTHING as evidence to the contrary other than the time rings, which we AGAIN have brought evidence against from the show itself that you once again chose to dismissDo you have any supporting evidence from any piece of Dragon Ball canon that choices and actions spawn countless new timelines all the time?
Because everything from the manga and the graph in that interview leads me to believe that it is just time travel that creates alternate worlds.
What pieces of evidence from the manga?And you're just purposefully feigning ignorance by trying to act like the answers of the Professor explicitly brought to explain time travel and parallel worlds in Dragon Ball (hint, the name of the article is literally 'Asking an Expert about Time Travel in Dragon Ball')
This piece right here is just hilarious, because you've literally dismissed every single piece of evidence in the manga provided in this 8 page thread, evidence from the author, evidence from movie guidebooks, and have you yourself brought up NOTHING as evidence to the contrary other than the time rings, which we AGAIN have brought evidence against from the show itself that you once again chose to dismiss
We literally have every possible piece of supplementary evidence backing our viewpoint up while you have zilch, don't try to paint it any other way.
<DB is stated by multiple sources to operate under MWIThis is blatant headcanon designed to fill the gaps left behind by your argument.
I believe he is referring to Pilaf referring to "all different kinds of futures".What pieces of evidence from the manga?
I'm aware of the evidence you've claimed from the author and the guidebooks, but what evidence from the manga are you referring to?
If you're referring to me, I'm not insulting Deagonwhat's with the insults?
did you read that interview? That dude isn't talking about DB cosmology, and he's not a source for DB