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UI Goku vs Darkspine Sonic REDUX

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Except the "He can always make more" is reliant on beliving Goku will wait for him to spin in mid air to build more, as he needs a full amount of Soul Energy to Ressurect. Not to mention timeline wise Sonic hasn't even met a Wisp until Colors long after Secret Rings, so what's the basis for him being able to use them besides it's still sonic? And Time Break is still a form of Time Slow, where did the Space Part get slapped onto it? And Erazor didn't have all Seven, he had 4. If he had all Seven, Sonic wouldn't have been able to go Darkspine and Alf Laya wa Laya wouldn't have been incomplete, and that's still a baseline feat which Goku still stompily scales above from IZ. DS Sonic's Bloodlusting just leads him into being more aggressive into CQC
 
@hst

Sonic can use speed break to get away from Goku, plus charging up takes at most 10 seconds, and where's it said Sonic needs all of the soul guage?

Goku doesn't fully resists time stop, anyone stronger than Hit can resist time Skip, Time Break still works

Using this logic Sonic shouldn't even be Darkspine because Sonic can't reach the form normaly without a sacrifice, we count as Sonic having all of his equipment
 
Theuser789 said:
@hst

Sonic can use speed break to get away from Goku, plus charging up takes at most 10 seconds, and where's it said Sonic needs all of the soul guage?

Goku doesn't fully resists time stop, anyone stronger than Hit can resist time Skip, Time Break still works

Using this logic Sonic shouldn't even be Darkspine because Sonic can't reach the form normaly without a sacrifice, we count as Sonic having all of his equipment
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•Sonic can use Speed Break to get away from Goku

Goku uses IT to get right back to him, not to mention He uses Speed Break to break through Alf Laya Wa Laya's attacks. He'd be far more likely to try and do the same to Goku which doesn't end well.

• Goku doesn't fully resists time stop, anyone stronger than Hit can resist time Skip, Time Break still works

He repeatedly resisted Hit's Time Skip and Good thing he's using Time Slow instead of time stop.

Using this logic Sonic shouldn't even be Darkspine because Sonic can't reach the form normaly without a sacrifice, we count as Sonic having all of his equipment

What a huge False Equivalency. Sonic is already starting the fight in his Darkspine state. It's nowhere near the same as giving him abilities he canonically doesn't even have yet.
 
Sonic uses speed break to reflect attacks, not break through then at all, plus still no proof he needs it all to ressurect, plus Sonic should be able to reflect ki attacks

Time Skip also depends on strengh and if we are really separating time abilities like this Goku never resisted Time Slow at all

The thing is Sonic can't reach Darkspine, we aren't taking Darkspine Sonic from Secret Rings right when he fought Erazor, but a current Sonic in Darkspine, otherwise the Op would have been Darkspine Sonic as when he fought Erazor
 
Hst master said:
Except the "He can always make more" is reliant on beliving Goku will wait for him to spin in mid air to build more, as he needs a full amount of Soul Energy to Ressurect. Not to mention timeline wise Sonic hasn't even met a Wisp until Colors long after Secret Rings, so what's the basis for him being able to use them besides it's still sonic? And Time Break is still a form of Time Slow, where did the Space Part get slapped onto it? And Erazor didn't have all Seven, he had 4. If he had all Seven, Sonic wouldn't have been able to go Darkspine and Alf Laya wa Laya wouldn't have been incomplete, and that's still a baseline feat which Goku still stompily scales above from IZ. DS Sonic's Bloodlusting just leads him into being more aggressive into CQC
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Just like Sonic is going to stand still and let Alex Mercer gas him to death like Ann Frank an- oh...wait. Also we're not factoring timelines here in vs debating with Sonic. We're just plotting "what-if" scenarios on how this battle would play out as of right now. So stop downplaying. Cause giving ignorant responses like that should be against the rules methinks. Time Break is more enhanced since not only he had it in his base form, but also scaling to Erazor Djinn who both can already manipulate the fabric of space-time via RW. And Time Break works differently and better than Time Skip no cap. Erazor blows out 7 world rings whenever you hit him and was shown to transform with only 7 before the battle. Do you even Sonic? And Darkspine is the result of his transformation, not that he needed all 7 in order to perform it.

Also Bloodlusted Sonic starts off with hax then CQC from the Erazor battle. And there were times he could've used CQC whenever Erazor appeared in his face. Again, Do you even Sonic or just downplaying?
 
Countinuing what Violet said Sonic only went in CQC after reflecting and stunning Erazor, not immediately without thinking

@Violet you accidentaly putted a strikethrough through most of your comment
 
Theuser789 said:
Sonic uses speed break to reflect attacks, not break through then at all, plus still no proof he needs it all to ressurect, plus Sonic should be able to reflect ki attacks

Time Skip also depends on strengh and if we are really separating time abilities like this Goku never resisted Time Slow at all

The thing is Sonic can't reach Darkspine, we aren't taking Darkspine Sonic from Secret Rings right when he fought Erazor, but a current Sonic in Darkspine, otherwise the Op would have been Darkspine Sonic as when he fought Erazor
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And which would fail miserably, as it's a NLF to say he can physically push back a attack that can one shot him.

And that's manga only, as Hit can freely use it on Jiren, who was simply predicting where he'll be next and only resisted the Cage of Time unlike Goku who repeatedly broke through Time Skip. And Time Slow will always be inherently worse than Time Stop.

And that's not a excuse. He's already in Darkspine when the fight starts. Which is completely different from trying to give him wisps that he hasn't even met yet because "Well it's in his Equipment GG" when we don't do that for other characters in the slightest.
 
Reflecting doesn't really matter on Ap at all when he doesn't take damage reflecting them before

Time Skip still isn't Time Slown and Goku never fully resisted it, plus Time cage is still enterely based on strengh as well, unlike Time Break

We aren't picking Sonic from Secret Rings like the Time Eater with past stages but instead are giving the transformation to current Sonic who does have them,
 
Just like Sonic is going to stand still and let Alex Mercer gas him to death like Ann Frank an- oh...wait. Also we're not factoring timelines here in vs debating with Sonic. We're just plotting "what-if" scenarios on how this battle would play out as of right now. So stop downplaying. Cause giving ignorant responses like that should be against the rules methinks. Time Break is more enhanced since not only he had it in his base form, but also scaling to Erazor Djinn who both can already manipulate the fabric of space-time via RW. And Time Break works differently and better than Time Skip no cap. Erazor blows out 7 world rings whenever you hit him and was shown to transform with only 7 before the battle. Do you even Sonic? And Darkspine is the result of his transformation, not that he needed all 7 in order to perform it.

Also Bloodlusted Sonic starts off with hax then CQC from the Erazor battle. And there were times he could've used CQC whenever Erazor appeared in his face. Again, Do you even Sonic or just downplaying?

I was never even in that match so bringing it up why exactly? 2 wrongs don't make a right. And even never even used time break to match such claims. Prove this. L Because Time Skip is a form is a form of Time Stop saying "Nah it's better" isn't an argument. No he doesn't he has Seven weak spots that sonic beats on, Sonic literally takes 3 World Rings to becone Darkspine sonic, it's impossible for him to have all 7. There is only 7.

"Bloodlusted Sonic always uses Hax" we blatantly see he doesn't.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0wAgZoRa0

Aside from accusing me of Downplaying you haven't even answered the rest of my points

• Soul Ressurection which he uses all his Soul Energy for which he needs to build up more for.

• Time Break that's just time slow

• Wisps from the future

• Speed Break that gets countered by his own mindset and IT

• Non Combat Applicable RW (No "just existing isn't an argument)

All the Sonic FRA are based off this.
 
Considering its a form of energy I'm willing to be that it's not just game mechanics that prevent him from ressurecting infinitely.
 
Again, where's it said Sonic needs all soul surge energy to ressurect?

@Choco, Darkspine Sonic can recharge his energy any time he wants
 
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