UI Goku vs Darkspine Sonic REDUX

[HST_Master]

Op is wrong, Goku has 9 not 10 even if you count the lol Ap votes which shouldn't be counted cause ressurection and the fact they are very low effort

Refer to Cinos' Comment.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Unless you bring video proof that he can ressurect from being blown to literal chunks or vaporized, what you believe matters little.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Pretty sure Sonic can be blasted in game by energy blasts and still ressurect, the same to being crushed, blow up,etc.

He can't do it an infinite amount of times and Goku will just repeatedely One-Shot him even if he does attempt to come back to life.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Uhhh, all these sonic FRAs on debunked reasons tho...

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

And as a reminder, I retract my Sonic vote from earlier.

 

[Theuser789]

Unless you bring video proof that he can ressurect from being blown to literal chunks or vaporized, what you believe matters little.

Sonic can ressurect to any attacks in game which include those I listed, including Erazor's energy attack, being cut by blades, etc, every thing I listed is a attack in the game, it's not what I "believe", you are creating a limitation that he doesn't have

@Choco, 1. Sonic doesn't need to do it infinite times because he can just beat him with hax once ressurection, and 2. yes he can, he doesn't have a limit in charging it

 

[HST_Master]

In many cases, self-resurrection may take too long to be combat applicable, but it still exists. The ability has similar limitations to Regenerationn, and one should not assume that, because a character has never failed to resurrect, that they can resurrect regardless of how they've been killed.

Straight from the Ressurection Page.

He's never resurrected from his body being blasted apart. All exanples you've given his body has still been ultimately intact.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

^ Which is what Sonic's body will ultimately not be when hit once by Goku.

 

[Theuser789]

Sonic can ressurect from being blasted yes, if you get blasted by energy blasts like Alf Wa Layla one you still ressurect, any form of death in Secret Rings Sonic can ressurect, and everything I listed is ways Sonic can die in the game

 

[HST_Master]

And his body was intact, User. He's gonna be vaporized if he takes a blast from Goku.

 

[Theuser789]

Nothing implies it was intact after literaly every Death, like being cut, blasted and etc. prove is body was there because the Logical conclusion is that being blasted leaves no body, or being cut as well, or crushed, or being blow up, etc.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

But his dead body is still intact, the method of his death isn't what matters, it's the state of his body after his death that matters. And every single example you gave has Sonic's body still intact and then reviving from that, but unless he was shown to be actually vaporized or cut in half and then resurrecting, then his ressurection won't matter because Goku will literally blow his body to chunks or turn him to dust with a simple ki blast, something Sonic has never been shown to revive from.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Nothing implies it was intact after literaly every Death, like being cut, blasted and etc. prove is body was there because the Logical conclusion is that being blasted leaves no body, or being cut as well, or crushed, or being blow up, etc.

No, YOU have to prove that he is able to ressurect after having his body torn apart or vaporized and that when he dies, he actually dies with his body torn apart or vaporized, not us since you're the one arguing he can, and everytime Sonic dies we literally see his lifeless body flop to the ground, still intact.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Because if Sonic dies he's most likely to be blown to pieces or vaporized by Goku's attack, which is something his resurrection won't be able to save him from unless there are feats to prove other wise.

Just gonna say this.

Even if you don't accept Low-Godly or whatnot, regenerating from energy (His Soul Energy from the soul gauge at that) is blatant High regen. Being blow to bits isn't stopping that.

Sonic FRA.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

If the character doesn't show the feats for it, you can't assume they can do it. Occam's Razor. If Sonic's body is intact every time he resurrects, then that is what he needs for his resurrection to take place. He needs more feats to say otherwise.

As for the wisps, Darkspine predates them, never had access to them and has never used them. We go based on what's actually been shown.

 

[Theuser789]

Except he was, the body wasn't intact at all, most of those deaths don't even show It

The method does matter, the method is the reason why the body ends up after death, a death by stabbing isn't going to vaporize someone Sonic can get blasted by a big energy ball that engulfs him, and being cut in half and still ressurect, the game doesn't even show Sonic post death, he just gets back, Sonic not being directely show to be dead that way is because of the game ratings, like when Mephiles stabs Sonic though the chest yet we don't see a giant hole in him

 

[HST_Master]

He isn't regenerating from his Energy what? He's using the energy in the soul gauge to revive himself.

 

[Master_Xar]

also if this is MUI after Broly whats stopping Goku from using his God Bind technique to stop him from doing anything and killing him?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Just gonna say this.

Even if you don't accept Low-Godly or whatnot, regenerating from energy (His Soul Energy from the soul gauge at that) is blatant High regen. Being blow to bits isn't stopping that.

Sonic FRA.

Shake, Sonic is never shown regenerating from just his soul energy, he's just using up part of his Soul Gauge to revive his intact body.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

also if this is MUI after Broly whats stopping Goku from using his God Bind technique to stop him from doing anything and killing him?

It's Goku from ToP.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

also if this is MUI after Broly whats stopping Goku from using his God Bind technique to stop him from doing anything and killing him?

There is no MUI after Broly. There's only ToP MUI.

Just like there is no Darkspine after Secret Rings.

 

[HST_Master]

also if this is MUI after Broly whats stopping Goku from using his God Bind technique to stop him from doing anything and killing him?

It's not. It's MUI Goku from the ToP.

 

[Theuser789]

No, YOU have to prove that he is able to ressurect after having his body torn apart or vaporized and that when he dies, he actually dies with his body torn apart or vaporized, not us since you're the one arguing he can, and everytime Sonic dies we literally see his lifeless body flop to the ground, still intact.

No we don't at all see Sonic post death, he just get the take damage animation which happens to any attack and then he is just fine, in Sonic 06 itself we see Mephiles stab Sonic and there wasn't a giant hole on his chest because of the ratings, Sonic being cut, blasted, crushed, etc. should logicaly leave no body behind

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The fact that Sonic can still love even with Soul Gauge is active means that it's not an infallible ability.

Also like...hard no to Soul Gague being anything more than basic resurrection.

 

[HST_Master]

No we don't at all see Sonic post death, he just get the take damage animation which happens to any attack and then he is just fine, in Sonic 06 itself we see Mephiles stab Sonic and there wasn't a giant hole on his chest because of the ratings, Sonic being cut, blasted, crushed, etc. should logicaly leave no body behind

Dude that's a pretty weak argument. We can clearly see his body is still intact for everything but falling in Pits.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Except he was, the body wasn't intact at all, most of those deaths don't even show It

The method does matter, the method is the reason why the body ends up after death, a death by stabbing isn't going to vaporize someone Sonic can get blasted by a big energy ball that engulfs him, and being cut in half and still ressurect, the game doesn't even show Sonic post death, he just gets back, Sonic not being directely show to be dead that way is because of the game ratings, like when Mephiles stabs Sonic though the chest yet we don't see a giant hole in him

But everytime Sonic dies without Soul Ressurection his body flops down still intact. And just cause Sonic is a kids game doesn't mean it's exempt from the rules, so Sonic still needs to show that he can revive from being cut in half or from being blown to bits or vaporized. If it doesn't show him being vaporized then he can't revive from being vaporized.

 

[Master_Xar]

also if this is MUI after Broly whats stopping Goku from using his God Bind technique to stop him from doing anything and killing him?

There is no MUI after Broly. There's only ToP MUI.
Just like there is no Darkspine after Secret Rings.

techically there is, he transformed into it for a second trying to go SSJB, but nevermind

 

[Theuser789]

Anyways Sonic 12, Goku 9, grace restarts

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

11 since I retracted my vote for Sonic and now vote for Goku.

 

[HST_Master]

Anyways Sonic 12, Goku 9, grace restarts

Dude literally all the Votes for sonic are based on Ressurection.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Anyways Sonic 12, Goku 9, grace restarts

How? All the votes are based on Sonic resurrecting, which he's not doing with his body either blown to pieces or reduced to ashes on the wind.

 

[Theuser789]

Except we don't see it at all, he literally only gets the generic hit animation which happens for any attack and then he comes back, again getting blasted, crushed, cut by giant swords which should obviously leave no body behind

There's 2 choices, or attacks like being cut and swords leave a body in Sonic which means he would still ressurect from Goku, or 2 those attacks leave no body and a generic hit animation means nothing, since Sonic can literaly be stabbed through the chest in a cutscene and yet not show a giant hole.

 

[Master_Xar]

i also vote Goku

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

HATMaster is completely right. It functions like Fairies in Zelda, to my knowledge.

Worst comes to worse Goku double taps.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Also HES NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESSURECT IMMEDIATELY AFTER GETTING ONE SHOT

 

[HST_Master]

Except we don't see it at all, he literally only gets the generic hit animation which happens for any attack and then he comes back, again getting blasted, crushed, cut by giant swords which should obviously leave no body behind

There's 2 choices, or attacks like being cut and swords leave a body in Sonic which means he would still ressurect from Goku, or 2 those attacks leave no body and a generic hit animation means nothing, since Sonic can literaly be stabbed through the chest in a cutscene and yet not show a giant hole.

Getting Crushed would leave a body.

Getting cut or stabbed would leave a body

Depending on the blast it would leave a body.

The body is literally in the giant hole.

Everything you've said would leave a body. The man has never been vaporized by such a wide AP difference.

 

[Master_Xar]

Except we don't see it at all, he literally only gets the generic hit animation which happens for any attack and then he comes back, again getting blasted, crushed, cut by giant swords which should obviously leave no body behind
There's 2 choices, or attacks like being cut and swords leave a body in Sonic which means he would still ressurect from Goku, or 2 those attacks leave no body and a generic hit animation means nothing, since Sonic can literaly be stabbed through the chest in a cutscene and yet not show a giant hole.

So? DBS shown blasts going through characters like Trunks and Goku and they had no holes in their bodies. Point being censors don't matter, no visible damage we can't assume it's just THERE for some reason.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

This is getting ridiculous, just cause you think it's obvious doesn't mean it is true, we judge a feat by it's visuals and description, and wouldn't you know it, Sonic's body is intact no matter what, so what you think is obvious is simply what you want to believe, not what happens on screen, and what actually happens completely contradicts what you believe is "obvious", which means you're argument is invalid.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Every Goku vs Sonic debate gets ridiculous don't act like this is new lmao

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Every Goku vs Sonic debate gets ridiculous don't act like this is new lmao

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