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UI Goku vs Darkspine Sonic REDUX

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"Not if Hit's time skip has a weakness of failing to work against stronger opponents."

It doesn't have this weakness. If you want it as a weakness, take it to CRT and bring up new evidence. Because everytime someone's overpowered Hit's Time Skip, it was always noted to be the doing of the person resisting and not a weakness of Hit's ability.

Hell, in Jiren's case, Vados said that Jiren transcended time itself. Not exactly a "low" showing for Time Skip in that case.
 
Yes he does. My dude, if he has the ability and he's shown the ability to use it in an offical cutscene then yes it's combat applicable. Darkspine Sonic is already pissed and bloodlusted, he'll kill Goku at a moments notice and Goku has no offense against it. We don't need to show you any more of the Resurrection ability when the game itself literally states what it can do. A statement is valid unless contradicted

And he blatantly didn't use it on Alf Layla Wa Layla at all. Not to mention the "He's bloodlusted" argument has already been used and we've what he does. And yes you do. Because we don't assume that people can ressurect no matter what. We go by what's shown.

@Ashen

IT is a thing and Sonic tends to use Speed Break to try and send back attacks. Which won't work because that gets him one shotted.
 
@shadowwarrior If you want to argue its a weakness on hits technique rather then a resistance on gokus part you better make a crt cause at the moment goku has time manip resistance from it. We're arguing from the profiles and curretly we consider gokus feat of being able to function in hits timestop as a resistance on his part. youd need crt to change the ruling.
 
It's not in character. Why didn't he merely lead with that instead of wasting his time fighting Alf Layla Wa Layla. That's like saying that Manga Goku using the Hakai is in character.

Because Sonic's reality warping would've likely gotten countered by Alf Layla Wa Layla. Also, space-time would've ended up getting destroyed again so there's no point. Darkspine Sonic is also bloodlusted, therefore he'll do whatever it takes to win. Goku is the kind of person to fight his opponents head on and try to take on their strongest attacks and win. Therefore, Goku will end up getting reality warped out of existence by Darkspine.

Then why didn't he use it to simply kill Alf Layla Wa Layla? I get that it's probably because of PIS but still.
 
Hit's time manipulation is garbo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WazaTa0k0w

Hit doesn't stop time nor freezes it nor does he slow it down, he skips it. What he does is basically this...he moves forward in time to where he'd be in X amount of seconds he can use Time Skip for. If he can use Toki-Tobashi for 0.2 seconds, then he'd skip to where he would be in 0.2 seconds. The time he skips is also used to create his Pocket Dimension.

That's why Goku had to use Kaioken in the anime to overcome the Time Skip. Kaioken increases the user's power and speed, by increasing his speed by 10 times, Goku was able to move much faster than what Hit was actually capable of skipping.
 
If I'm so wrong how about refuting instead of implying I'm a wanker?

Then explain why he would get those multipliers because it just looks like you're pulling random numbers.
 
@Godhand If you want to argue its a weakness on hits technique rather then a resistance on gokus part you better make a crt cause at the moment goku has time manip resistance from it. We're arguing from the profiles and curretly we consider gokus feat of being able to function/outdo hits timestop as a resistance on his part. youd need crt to change the ruling.
 
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
 
@Shadow

It was explicitly said that Jiren was soley countering Time Skip via predicting where Hit will be next like Goku did pre Kaioken. Not to mention it was never said that. They were surprised that CoT didn't work on Jiren. And secondly Goku is already stronger than Hit as a SSG, yet Hit was able to affect him with Time Skip before he resisted it and even Champa was scared of him.
 
Godhand1999 said:
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
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No one said it didn't slow down time, just that's inferior to Time Stop. And yet again Sonic doesn't use his Reality Warping offensively. Ignoring that he doesn't isn't gonna change that.
 
Godhand1999 said:
Hit's time manipulation is garbo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WazaTa0k0w

Hit doesn't stop time nor freezes it nor does he slow it down, he skips it. What he does is basically this...he moves forward in time to where he'd be in X amount of seconds he can use Time Skip for. If he can use Toki-Tobashi for 0.2 seconds, then he'd skip to where he would be in 0.2 seconds. The time he skips is also used to create his Pocket Dimension.

That's why Goku had to use Kaioken in the anime to overcome the Time Skip. Kaioken increases the user's power and speed, by increasing his speed by 10 times, Goku was able to move much faster than what Hit was actually capable of skipping.
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Hit's Time Prison would like a word. Unlike Time Skip, they straight up make it known that Hit is literally stopping the time of the target; trapping them there.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Priso

Goku as SSB Low 2-C would scale to Jiren's resistance of this.

Godhand1999 said:
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
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Time Stop > Time Slow.

Time Stop by how it works is literally infinitely better than Time Slow. So not sure why Time Break would work on Goku.
 
Godhand1999 said:
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
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Again, Time Stop > Time Slow. So Goku is just going to resist it. And Sonic has never used his reality warping offensivly, so that's not much of argument as it's a non factor.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@Master Xar Being half of 2-C isn't quantifiable as the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C is unquantifiable.
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It is in this case as he only needs to be twice as powerful to hit 2-C the unquantifiable applies to how the destruction reaches the second universe that being 1/2 2-C makes Beerus and anybody who scales higher than most low 2-Cs
 
Hst master said:
Godhand1999 said:
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
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No one said it didn't slow down time, just that's inferior to Time Stop. And yet again Sonic doesn't use his Reality Warping offensively. Ignoring that he doesn't isn't gonna change that.
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But Hit doesn't stop time, he skips it and uses that time he's stored to create an alternate realm where can move freely.

Sonic can actually slow down time. Goku is not resisting this ability at all unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise. Sonic's time manipulation is more potent than Hit's are. Sonic is already pissed and bloodlusted in this form, therefore he will use the reality warping abilities offensively.
 
Like how average Pokemon are 2-B for being able to slightly harm Legendaries?

Bro he's not a Pokémon expert you're not gonna trigger him that way like it was me.
 
Also false majority of the time sonic uses speed break to enhance is speed he dosent always go for attack reflection and he can keep doing as many times he wants the gap would be just way to big for goku too even touch him at all.

Also when using speed break Sonic can Also us it to make himself invincible as long as he his in that stat
 
But Hit doesn't stop time, he skips it and uses that time he's stored to create an alternate realm where can move freely.

Sonic can actually slow down time. Goku is not resisting this ability at all unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise. Sonic's time manipulation is more potent than Hit's are. Sonic is already pissed and bloodlusted in this form, therefore he will use the reality warping abilities offensively.

Time Freeze is a thing as Akreious has already pointed out. Time Freeze is literally just his time skip slightly improved.

And again we already know what he'll do as Darkspine Sonic. Repeating "He's bloodlusted" won't change what we see him do.
 
Hit's Time Prison would like a word. Unlike Time Skip, they straight up make it known that Hit is literally stopping the time of the target; trapping them there.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Priso

Goku as SSB Low 2-C would scale to Jiren's resistance of this.

Godhand1999 said:
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
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Time Stop > Time Slow.

Time Stop by how it works is literally infinitely better than Time Slow. So not sure why Time Break would work on Goku.

That's not time stop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZNm4CvtVU

What Hit is actually doing is using the time skip continuously on the opponent to entrap them in a state of suspended time. Hit is actually not stopping time to the point where everyone around them can't move anymore. He's just trapping someone in a stasis where they are unable to move a muscle. It also only works on one person and it takes up a ridiculous amount of energy to use.

Sonic's Time slow can work indefinitely and it can literally slow down everyone from moving. MUI Goku is not going to resist the time break at all.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
Also false majority of the time sonic uses speed break to enhance is speed he dosent always go for attack reflection and he can keep doing as many times he wants the gap would be just way to big for goku too even touch him at all.

Also when using speed break Sonic can Also us it to make himself invincible as long as he his in that stat
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Dude I just linked the boss fight. He uses Speed Break to Push back Alf Layla's Blasts. And again is Dependant on the soul gauge. Second "He's invincible when using Speed Break" or he just barrels through enemies...
 
Watched a review of Secret Rings. Sonic is most certainly not invulnerable while performing Speed Break, which is one of the flaws in the game. Sonic goes too fast which makes Speed Break detrimental.
 
Again, Time Stop > Time Slow. So Goku is just going to resist it. And Sonic has never used his reality warping offensivly, so that's not much of argument as it's a non factor.

Hit has never stopped time, but skips it and keeps the time he's stored in another realm. The Time Prison is just him using the Time Skip ability continuously to freeze the person's movements. It's nothing like Chaos Control or The World. Hit doesn't control time like that, therefore Goku is going up against something he's never faced before.

Again with the ad nauseam. Darkspine Sonic has shown to reality warp, it's in his ability to do so, the reason why he didn't lead with it from the start is because it likely would've been countered by Alf himself. Darkspine is already bloodlusted and pissed, there's no reason why he just doesn't slow down time and erase Goku from existence.
 
Hit's Time Prison would like a word. Unlike Time Skip, they straight up make it known that Hit is literally stopping the time of the target; trapping them there.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Priso

Goku as SSB Low 2-C would scale to Jiren's resistance of this.

Godhand1999 said:
Sonic's Time Break actually slows down time and it can work on other opponents as we saw in a cutscene in Secret Rings. Goku gets caught and then gets reality warped out of existence.
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Time Stop > Time Slow.

Time Stop by how it works is literally infinitely better than Time Slow. So not sure why Time Break would work on Goku.

That's not time stop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZNm4CvtVU

What Hit is actually doing is using the time skip continuously on the opponent to entrap them in a state of suspended time. Hit is actually not stopping time to the point where everyone around them can't move anymore. He's just trapping someone in a stasis where they are unable to move a muscle. It also only works on one person and it takes up a ridiculous amount of energy to use.

Sonic's Time slow can work indefinitely and it can literally slow down everyone from moving. MUI Goku is not going to resist the time break at all.

Then that just proves time skip is a time Stop then since if he was just skipping time forward Jiren wouldn't be affected. Hit was actually planning on keeping Jiren still for the rest of the tournament with over 24 minutes remaining so no, It's not that draining and actually lasts pretty long against opponents it works on.
 
Jiren also broke through the time cage with his strength alone. Hit's time manipulation is garbage, Sonic's time slow is much better since it affects the entire area instead of just one person itself. It also doesn't take that much energy to use and Darkspine can refill his own energy with his own power.
 
Godhand1999 said:
Jiren also broke through the time cage with his strength alone. Hit's time manipulation is garbage, Sonic's time slow is much better since it affects the entire area instead of just one person itself. It also doesn't take that much energy to use and Darkspine can refill his own energy with his own power.
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Jiren was stated to transcend time repeating that it can be overpowered doesn't make it true
 
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