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Udl's Waifu Meets Mister Clean

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well God resists all of YHVH stuff.God can only kill YHVH if you consider High 1-C god as legit not possibly then then god has 11D erasure
 
Yeah, The One Giver has massive resistances to all abilities in the verse, to the point where she negs all abilities to non-effectence.

Then her Plot, Information, Text (and similar abilities) are all a Dimensional tier above her own. (9-D/ 12-D respectively)

Then there's the Jungian Archetypes which she could use to bind YVHW to the "Dumb jock" archetype and make him act like nothing more like a dumb jock who only wants to attack The One Giver with brute force.

Then there's the fact she possesses all the Mage's passive hax, including fate hax, power null, concept manip.

And has MASSIVE EE where she erases and negs the regen of beings like the Angels by JUST SPEAKING.

Then she can just spam "JUSTICE!" and incap YVHW.


According to Wok, her regen (and the rest of the verse) is better than High-Godly and her abilities can overcome High-Godly, so that's not a problem for her.

So, all in all, The One Giver gets my vote.
 
Absolutely, Mage's are able to affect the beliefs of the entire verse, and the Mage's are less than a inaccessable cardinal in comparison to The One Giver.

And The One Giver 1. Omnipresent and could with less than a thought do this (Based on her own Beliefs (Disbelief) and her passive hax that include making people subserviant to her) 2. Is Greater than the "One Mind" ability that binds all the Minds of the entire verse into one being, and they're still subserviant to the One Giver.
 
Passive Power Null, Concept Manip, EE, Fate Manip, Plot Manip etc.

All the Mage's passive stuff.

Then there's the fact she has huge resistances to Power Null, and the fact most of the verse believes in her.
 
Also, Type 5 Acausality.

Also, reason why I point out that people in the verse believe in her, is because everyone in WoD has insane resistances.

Much like D&D, this includes Humans, like the Hunters, who have some of the strongest resistances in the Verse...outside the Antideluvian's, Archmagi, Archetypes and above.
 
Supposidly, it's supposed to turn them into a weaker version of them, making it so they're weaker their YVHW.

That or make them apart of YVHW, to maintain his place as the One True God.

However, The One Giver resists both Asborption and Power Null.

Absorption on a Conceptual level.

And she heavily resists all the power null from the Mage's which is insane levels of Nullification.
 
Though with what I have now I feel like God's current page has too little info on it to have a actual debate
 
1. Scaling from the Mages who are cannonically below her. They can become the Storyteller who is the DM who sees the verse as Fiction.

Composite Hierarchy states that this would simply be a Dimensional leap, but since the scaling is also wonky because table top games, how could it not, her other abilities don't scale to that level.

2. Check here, the explainations are all here: Mage (World of Darkness)
 
Sure, so basically, the Marauders (A branch of Mages) can become so insane (Not literally, it's something called quiet which takes about 5 hours to read 20 pages due to re-reading because it's really confusing) they come the Storyteller.

The Storyteller is literally the name for the GM.

They become the GM, not even kidding.

And thus, the GM always sees the verse as non-existent fiction, and under Composite Hierarchies, would simply be a dimensional leap.

The One Giver is stated to be above all things in the verse even the Void, other Gods and even Ain Soph and Jehovah (Which are all above Platonic concepts and will soon become 1-A due to a statement where the Archmagi can create a place Immune to the ravages of Duaity, making them and all those above them 1-A)

The Mages are near the bottom of the Verse, even below the Archmagi, and thus the One Giver scales accordingly, having a higher dimensional Plot, Information etc. hax above her own.

This is basically Tabletop games for you.
 
Not yet, there's a very high chance she'll become 1-A due to Transduality/Non-Duality.

I'm not sure what Hades is.
 
Ah!

Currently, her Plot, Information, Text etc. hax are all 1 dimension above her own (9-D/12-D respectively)

The rest of her abilities are on her dimensional level.

Her hax won't become 1-A, she will become a high tier 1-A.
 
I'll wait until then. I honestly can't make heads nor tales of WoD's scaling chain, so I'll say inconclusive, assuming that we are assuming she is 8-D for now
 
The One Giver

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The Angels

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Other Gods

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Many Transcendant realms.

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Nigh-Infinite Platonic truths

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Archmagi

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Many more transcendant realms

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Mages

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Gen 10-13 Vampires.
 
New quote that's super clean cut.

Qa seems to think it's clean cut and Nedge (I believe) thinks it's 1-A too.
 
The One Giver has 9-D Plot hax, information hax etc.

I do have a statement that would make her 9-D in general and give her 10-D Plot hax, Information hax etc.
 
Like, there's a statement saying the Tellurian is transcendant over the rest of the verse and is also a fragment of God and there might be an infinite amount of Tellurians because inconsistancies.
 
But there's so much saying they're transcendant/above Space-time, which is what is needed for 1-A.
 
Actually, it is. Have you read the Outerverse page?

"An outerverse can also be in line with the concept of "Beyond Reality" in which its nature is not only different, but also conceptually superior to the concept of dimension as some formless, transcendental realm, that is, even an infinite-dimensional hyperverse would be nonexistent in comparison to them, regardless if the setting of a verse is infinite-dimensional or not. What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as being conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse." - Outerverse page
 
Udlmaster said:
Actually, it is. Have you read the Outerverse page?
"An outerverse can also be in line with the concept of "Beyond Reality" in which its nature is not only different, but also conceptually superior to the concept of dimension as some formless, transcendental realm, that is, even an infinite-dimensional hyperverse would be nonexistent in comparison to them, regardless if the setting of a verse is infinite-dimensional or not. What this means is, if a setting is for example, 14-dimensional, but a world outside of it is described as being conceptually superior to all forms of space-time, the realm qualifies as an outerverse." - Outerverse page
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Being transcendent over the concepts of space, time, dimensions, duality, et cetera is what qualifies you for 1-A, not just being "above/transcendent of space-time".

And sometimes even that is not enough.

And I am very familiar with our outerversal page and outerversal concepts in general.
 
Okay, 1. You don't have to be transdual to be 1-A.

And 2. The Concepts of Time and Space are already in WoD, they're in the Vulgate, where every concept that is even thought up exists.

Like, this isn't even impressive, like, the Supernal is a realm of Nigh-Infinite Platonic truths, like, Platonic concepts are literally everywhere.

Archmages can create a realm immune to the ravages of Duality, Death and Karma.
 
Udlmaster said:
Okay, 1. You don't have to be transdual to be 1-A.
And 2. The Concepts of Time and Space are already in WoD, they're in the Vulgate, where every concept that is even thought up exists.

Like, this isn't even impressive, like, the Supernal is a realm of Nigh-Infinite Platonic truths, like, Platonic concepts are literally everywhere.

Archmages can create a realm immune to the ravages of Duality, Death and Karma.
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I know that. They were just some examples of what are some basic requirements for 1-As are, I even said they are sometimes not accepted as 1-A despite having such things. So I don't see the need to bring that fact up in the first place.

Just because something is called a Platonic Concept, doesn't mean that it is. Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 is proof of this.

Like you said, being beyond duality doesn't guarantee said being is 1-A.

I just said the basic description for a 1-A being is to be beyond the concept of space, time, dimensions, duality, et cetera.

Not just, to quote yourself, "But there's so much saying they're 'transcendant'/above Space-time, which is what is needed for 1-A.".

What you wrote here isn't inadequate for 1-A like you said, what I wrote was better, but it is still not definite.
 
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