Mortals who Gained the Power of Gods: Doctor Strange vs Kelly (Marvel Comics vs Low Dimensional Game)

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Doctor Strange vs Kelly

Doctor Strange starts out in his 5-A key, but cannot access his Low 1-A peak (so no Low 1-A AP, no Low 1-A forcefields, and no Immeasurable Speed from the get-go), everything else is fair game.

Kelly starts out in her Goddess of Light key with her Divine Kingdom Form.

In-character

Location: New York City

SBA

Speed Equalized

Theme:

Doctor Strange scales to 12 yottatons of AP (but has 3-C shields)

Kelly in her Goddess of Light Key with Divine Kingdom scales to 118.88 yottatons

"Doctor Strange is no one's servant -- Be they man -- or god!": 0

"The Kingdom of God is only open to believers of God and the light. Every single one of these heretics will pay for their actions!": 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Eseseso]

Doctor Strange's advantages:

• Despite Kelly's vastly superior age, Strange seems to have better combat experience and skill (though Kelly is certainly no slouch), including against divine beings similar to Kelly.
• His forcefields have 3-C durability, meaning that Kelly will have a very hard time breaking through them (though if she does then he's in serious trouble)
• His telekinetic lifting strength is Multi-Stellar, far above Kelly's Class G LS, so he could easily restrain Kelly with telekinesis.
• Causality and Fate hax are both viable wincons.
• Plot hax
• BFR
• Can make use of any time hax outside of stopping time, since Kelly resists Time Stop but not other forms of Time Manipulation
• Can use magic to amp his power and speed

Kelly's advantages:

• Her AP/durability is almost 10x that of Strange's AP.
• High-Godly Regen plus her Type 8 + 9 immortalities make her impossible for Strange to kill
• Can negate Strange's Low-Godly regeneration

And both have 1 layer of basic hax for their verse (which for both of them includes Type 1 Concept Manipulation, Type 2 Info hax, mind-hax, soul hax) and as such this combined with their shared Low 1-A hax potency means that many of their standard abilities cancel out. Similarly, many of their other resistances negate the other's abilities.

However, seeing as Doctor Strange has more viable wincons (including BFR, which is in-character for him should Sealing not work [which it won't since Kelly resists it]), I will vote for Doctor Strange.

 

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[Sir_Ovens]

What is Kelly's opening move here?

 

[Eseseso]

What is Kelly's opening move here?

According to another thread, it's Conceptual Mind Manipulation and by extension Body Control, after that she usually goes for EE or Law Manip & Instant Death.

Thing is that Strange resists Concept hax, mind hax, EE, Law Manip, and Instant Death.

Meanwhile Strange will likely try to overpower Kelly and/or immobilize her via magic restraints, but seeing as neither would work here, he would likely opt for BFR or maybe magic telekinesis, since his telekinetic lifting strength utterly dwarfs her LS.

 

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[ActuallySpaceMan42]

• Despite Kelly's vastly superior age, Strange seems to have better combat experience and skill (though Kelly is certainly no slouch), including against divine beings similar to Kelly.

Yeah, I agree. Kelly doesn't really have to fight often. However, if Strange enters her domain, he would be under the influence of her Nigh-Omniscience, and she could read his abilities and whatnot.

• His forcefields have 3-C durability, meaning that Kelly will have a very hard time breaking through them (though if she does then he's in serious trouble)

Her domain may be able to get past that, as they are developed to ignore things such as normal abilities, genetic abilities, reality warping, and strength gaps.

• His telekinetic lifting strength is Multi-Stellar, far above Kelly's Class G LS, so he could easily restrain Kelly with telekinesis.

Depends on if Kelly doesn't cancel it out with her domain since she can do almost anything in there. Ik Strange himself probably has resistance to power nullification, but does his abilities?

• Causality and Fate hax are both viable wincons.

Depends on if they can affect their true body.

• Plot hax

Same as above.

• BFR

How is it done?

• Can make use of any time hax outside of stopping time, since Kelly resists Time Stop but not other forms of Time Manipulation

Domains are timeless and directionless, so you can't really use time hax directly on her.

• Can use magic to amp his power and speed

How big of an amp?

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah, I agree. Kelly doesn't really have to fight often. However, if Strange enters her domain, he would be under the influence of her Nigh-Omniscience, and she could read his abilities and whatnot.

Fair.

Her domain may be able to get past that, as they are developed to ignore things such as normal abilities, genetic abilities, reality warping, and strength gaps.

Magic on its own is dura neg, yet Strange and his shields resist magic blasts very often.

Depends on if Kelly doesn't cancel it out with her domain since she can do almost anything in there. Ik Strange himself probably has resistance to power nullification, but does his abilities?

Hmm

Depends on if they can affect their true body.

What does her true body have?

Because magic can very much affect both Incorporeality and AE1.

How is it done?

He has a lot of BFR options. Sometimes it's in the style of a magic blast, like the Spell of Cosmic Banishment (further detail on that spell here). Other times he can just make a portal and just send someone through. Or he can basically yeet you across dimensions. Or create a dimension-spanning whirlpool.

Domains are timeless and directionless, so you can't really use time hax directly on her.

Makes sense.

How big of an amp?

In the most extreme case he can do Tier 1 amplification for his AP, but if that's not allowed then it is admittedly rather unclear how much he can amp his power. Looking at the other stuff for statistics amplification on the magic page:

• Statistics Amplification, Power Bestowal, and Energy Absorption: Kaluu in the past enchanted the weapons of his soldiers as to increase their power. An illusion of Cynthia Von Doom taught Doctor Doom how to use magical energy transference to strengthen and empower his physical form. Alice Gulliver can infuse the bullets of her guns with magic. Those with unbreakable resolve and raw courage can resist magic attacks that would otherwise be lethal, even from those vastly superior to them in magic power. The Rings of Raggadorr can be used to enhance one's speed.[157] Sorcerers can also draw on the environment around them for magic, using one of the 4 basic types of magic known as Eco-Centric Magic.[1] The power of spells can be strengthened by sheer force of will.[10] Xandu mind-controlled a pair of thugs and gave them super-strength, to the point that Spider-Man was overpowered by the two, as well as immunity to pain.[200] A heavily weakened Doctor Strange amplified his magic power by drawing upon the remaining magic of the entire Earth dimension,[81] even though this amount was at an unusually low level due to the Empirkul having drained most of it earlier. Doctor Strange turned a butter knife into a flaming mystic sword.[306] The "Skill of the Seraphim" can boost one's agility and coordination, while the "Speed of the Seraphim" boosts one's speed.[3]
  

So for how much Strange could amp himself, I don't see him closing the 10x gap in AP, but it could be enough to let him somewhat outpace Kelly if given the chance.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Magic on its own is dura neg, yet Strange and his shields resist magic blasts very often.

In that case she'll probably try direct or indirect manipulation to get rid of them, or just bypass it all together and attack Stranges awareness and power.

What does her true body have?

Their true forms exist as stories outside of reality and unreality hidden away.

He has a lot of BFR options. Sometimes it's in the style of a magic blast, like the Spell of Cosmic Banishment (further detail on that spell here). Other times he can just make a portal and just send someone through. Or he can basically yeet you across dimensions. Or create a dimension-spanning whirlpool.

Well, anything that involves creating something around her, or shooting at her will have to get through her domain first. Dimensional stuff may not work since direction doesn't exist in her domain, as for direct blast, it would depend on whether or not she can do something about them.

Even if not directly nullifying it, she can suppress abilities in her domain, and modify them.

In the most extreme case he can do Tier 1 amplification for his AP, but if that's not allowed then it is admittedly rather unclear how much he can amp his power. Looking at the other stuff for statistics amplification on the magic page:

Well even with a Tier 1 AMP, I don't think it would change much due to how hard to kill Kelly is.

Also how is his Mind, Corrosion, Fear, Soul, Transmutation, Possession and Pain Resistances? Since those are all passives of Mythical Creatures.

 

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In that case she'll probably try direct or indirect manipulation to get rid of them, or just bypass it all together and attack Stranges awareness and power.

Their true forms exist as stories outside of reality and unreality hidden away.

So definitely not killing her (though tbf Strange doesn't opt for killing first thing unless he needs to or is just really pissed off), so the question is can he incap her.

And magic does work on Galactus, who operates of multiple planes of existence at once, but I don't know if that is enough here.

Well, anything that involves creating something around her, or shooting at her will have to get through her domain first. Dimensional stuff may not work since direction doesn't exist in her domain, as for direct blast, it would depend on whether or not she can do something about them.

Even if not directly nullifying it, she can suppress abilities in her domain, and modify them.

Well the magic of high-tier sorcerers and above can resist being nulled, so that might help Strange.

Well even with a Tier 1 AMP, I don't think it would change much due to how hard to kill Kelly is.

Fair.

Also how is his Mind,

Laughed off Low 1-A mind hax from the Mind Stone, which can affect the BDE2 Abstracts such as Death.

Also, he has 1 layer of magic resistance, with even basic magic affecting/damaging one's astral form, which is their mind and soul. And this is Low 1-A potency too.

Corrosion

Depends what type.

, Fear,

Resists the fear hax of the Low 1-A Fear Lord named Nightmare on...a lot of occasions, plus he resisted the fear hax of D'Spayre, a higher-dimensional fear lord.

Soul

1 layer of magic resistance means 1 layer of resistance to soul hax, since even basic magic can affect/destroy the astral form (which is mind and soul). And this is Low 1-A potency.

, Transmutation

Has no-sold transmutation magic on multiple occasions, in some cases just flat-out undoing it.

Also, even basic sorcerers resist transmutation.

, Possession and

Resists it, though I don't think to smurfish degrees, and has supernatural willpower if that fails.

He can also just leave his body and fight in his Astral Form.

Plus his body is guarded by magic mind maggots from possession, and his Purifications (since Lower Level sorcerers have all 3 types) could help him out.

Pain Resistances? Since those are all passives of Mythical Creatures.

Supernatural willpower.

Plus he has purifications that might counter that, depending on how it's done.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So definitely not killing her (though tbf Strange doesn't opt for killing first thing unless he needs to or is just really pissed off), so the question is can he incap her.

Fair enough.

And magic does work on Galactus, who operates of multiple planes of existence at once, but I don't know if that is enough here.

Yeah, it's more so being seeprated from everything, then being a higher existence.

Well the magic of high-tier sorcerers and above can resist being nulled, so that might help Strange.

Well her domain can create curses that will attack his awareness and powers directly.

Curses changes the laws of the world, and have so Subjective Reality stuff, which is based on if Strange actually believes he's cursed or not. The curse will exist inside his soul, and the moment he notices it's existence, that's when it will kick in.

Aside from that, his powers, conciousness, soul, concepts, and abilities will all be locked down and suppressed, not nullified, just suppressed.

Laughed off Low 1-A mind hax from the Mind Stone, which can affect the BDE2 Abstracts such as Death.

Also, he has 1 layer of magic resistance, with even basic magic affecting/damaging one's astral form, which is their mind and soul. And this is Low 1-A potency too.

Well since Kelly is Level 8, so her hax is Low 1-A up to 8 Layers.

Depends what type.

Body based.

Resists the fear hax of the Low 1-A Fear Lord named Nightmare on...a lot of occasions, plus he resisted the fear hax of D'Spayre, a higher-dimensional fear lord.

Layers?

1 layer of magic resistance means 1 layer of resistance to soul hax, since even basic magic can affect/destroy the astral form (which is mind and soul). And this is Low 1-A potency.

Layers?

Has no-sold transmutation magic on multiple occasions, in some cases just flat-out undoing it.

Also, even basic sorcerers resist transmutation.

It's conceptual, also like the other stuff it would be layered.

Resists it, though I don't think to smurfish degrees, and has supernatural willpower if that fails.

He can also just leave his body and fight in his Astral Form.

Plus his body is guarded by magic mind maggots from possession, and his Purifications (since Lower Level sorcerers have all 3 types) could help him out.

Fair enough.

Supernatural willpower. Plus he has purifications that might counter that, depending on how it's done.

Well just looking at Kelly will injure him, and will cause ne to feel like their souls have exploded, and are experieicing a thousand different types of torture at once in the depths of hell.

 

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Fair enough.

Yeah, it's more so being seeprated from everything, then being a higher existence.

Fair.

Well her domain can create curses that will attack his awareness and powers directly.

He can endure having his soul, which is where his magic power reserve is stored, being attacked.

Curses changes the laws of the world, and have so Subjective Reality stuff, which is based on if Strange actually believes he's cursed or not. The curse will exist inside his soul, and the moment he notices it's existence, that's when it will kick in.

Aside from that, his powers, conciousness, soul, concepts, and abilities will all be locked down and suppressed, not nullified, just suppressed.

Tbf Doctor Strange (as well as magic in general) is resistant to law hax.

Well since Kelly is Level 8, his hax is Low 1-A up to 8 Layers.

I thought only 1 layer was accepted in Glass's layers thread.

Body based.

If it's magic-based, Strange could possibly shield himself from the corrosion.

Otherwise, since she negates his immortalities it might do him in.

It's conceptual, also like the other stuff it would be layered.

Strange resists magic transmutation, and he has a layered resistance to magic, including transmutation magic from a high-tier sorcerer.

Well just looking at Kelly will injure him, and will cause ne to feel like their souls have exploded,

Strange has endured a lot of pain. Dude literally has coughed up part of his own soul, for one.

and are experieicing a thousand different types of torture at once in the depths of hell.

Hmmm, will have to think about this, even though Strange does have Supernatural willpower.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

He can endure having his soul, which is where his magic power reserve is stored, being attacked.

Fair.

Tbf Doctor Strange (as well as magic in general) is resistant to law hax.

Fair, what about the suppression effect.

I thought only 1 layer was accepted in Glass's layers thread.

Oh right, I never got back to that. Nvm then.

If it's magic-based, Strange could possibly shield himself from the corrosion.

It's because of their nature, not related to their abilities or magic.

Strange resists magic transmutation, and he has a layered resistance to magic, including transmutation magic from a high-tier sorcerer.

Fair enough.

Strange has endured a lot of pain. Dude literally has coughed up part of his own soul, for one.

Fair enough.

Hmmm, will have to think about this, even though Strange does have Supernatural willpower.

Alright.

 

[Eseseso]

Fair, what about the suppression effect.

How does the suppression effect work?

It's because of their nature, not related to their abilities or magic.

Then Strange can't defend.

Does the corrosion negate healing/immortality?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

How does the suppression effect work?

Strange won't be able to move, and their powers and consciousness will be suppressed. It's power modification, you still have your power, but you can't mobilize it. Same goes for your soul.

Then Strange can't defend.

Does the corrosion negate healing/immortality?

Yes, once they are corroded it kills them, and even other Mythical Beigns like Kelly can't come back from being killed by one another.

 

[Eseseso]

Strange won't be able to move, and their powers and consciousness will be suppressed. It's power modification, you still have your power, but you can't mobilize it. Same goes for your soul.

Seems to me that it's power null, but it also seems like it'd be layered power null, while Strange's power null resistance is IIRC not layered, so it'd stop him regardless assuming it's a passive.

Yes, once they are corroded it kills them, and even other Mythical Beigns like Kelly can't come back from being killed by one another.

Yeah, then Strange probably can't survive that if it's a passive.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Seems to me that it's power null, but it also seems like it'd be layered power null, while Strange's power null resistance is IIRC not layered, so it'd stop him regardless assuming it's a passive.

Yeah it happens to anything or anyone in her domain.

Yeah, then Strange probably can't survive that if it's a passive.

Yeah, it happens in seconds since their existence is like a virus.

 

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Yeah it happens to anything or anyone in her domain.

Yeah, it happens in seconds since their existence is like a virus.

Ok, then I think Kelly takes this one.

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah it happens to anything or anyone in her domain.

Yeah, it happens in seconds since their existence is like a virus.

Wait, is there a range to her corrosion?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It was stated while Lu Zhiyu was talking about effecting something as Large as a city, so at minimum, that.

 

[Eseseso]

It was stated while Lu Zhiyu was talking about effecting something as Large as a city, so at minimum, that.

Ok then with SBA that should still be enough, nvm