Udl's Waifu Meets Mister Clean

[Yobo_Blue]

What are you talking about?

 

[SinsofMan]

Is someone slightly higher in dimensionality? I honestly dont know both characters too well (Although i have played smt.)

I asked this and you responded with "Not really. If she's equal to YHVH dimensionally she gets Covenant in the face and if she's above him it's a stomp." And now you changed your answer to Covenant is one dimension higher, even though it is neither on his range or in the description of his abilities? " So...you either answered me incorrectly or changed your answer. Regardless, then yes, this is probably a Mismatch. Ill have Ultima or Matt look at this and close this.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Anyway, both characters kind of have stuff missing or under revision, so this match has a plethora of reasons to be closed

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I either don't know what your saying now or didn't understand what you meant the first time. But what I meant was that while YHVH himself is 9-D, covenant is 10-D.

 

[SinsofMan]

I either don't know what your saying now or didn't understand what you meant the first time. But what I meant was that while YHVH himself is 9-D, covenant is 10-D.

Then yes, he is 1-D higher and 2-D higher with hax, Would have been nice to know earlier before I started this but water under the bridge. Should probably be closed. Maybe it can be reopened if GoD gets an upgrade.

 

[Udlmaster]

I'm just gonna say, I did propose a counter in the form of transduality, as God has an extremely high variant of it, which in laymans terms is "trans-transduality".

Dimensionality doesn't change the outcome of transduality, as dimensionality is just a new direction for a vector of movement, this in no way changes the outcome for attacking a Transduel being.

 

[Schnee_One]

"BEGONE THOT"

FRA

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's more than just a vector of movement. It's a uncountably superior level of existence. Transduality does not automatically work across dimensions, hence why doesn't grant you any higher tiers. The only one who uses that interpretation is you,

 

[Yobo_Blue]

"BEGONE THOT"

FRA

It's a mismatch, and a soon to be outdated one at that.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just wait until Ultima re-makes his thread and things will be like what Udl is saying. If said thread is redone ever, of course

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Just wait until Ultima re-makes his thread and things will be like what Udl is saying. If said thread is redone ever, of course

?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Lets not remake this thread until SMT V comes out

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That thread where the whole system was going to change because it doesn't make sense. Imma link it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Oh, the dimensional one?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Yeah.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2760052

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Pretty sure SMT is safe. And looks to me like standards on dimensions that do grant higher tiers are still treated relatively the same.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

SMT is safe but a lot of verses would get the hammer.

Most of my fav verses are just 3-D/4-D with only a few being 1-A so I'm good with whatever comes from there so meh.

 

[Udlmaster]

Btw, I did ask Ultima and the others back when the transduality revisions where being completed, and they agreed that Transduality isn't affected or changed by dimensionality.


Also, the superior reality thing is purely subjective, as the idea that dimensions are superior and transcendent is mostly a thing from fiction, and not the mathematical way it was supposed to be used.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yes, but in SMt they are treated as such, hence the current rating. And you'll have to link where that was agreed. And probably message Ultima again.

Not to mention that doesn't make God able to effect YHVH in any way,

 

[Udlmaster]

Wrong thread friendo.

LoP ain't present here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I meant God, lol. Mixed the two threads up for a sec.

 

[Udlmaster]

And you're right, transduality doesn't make it so The One Giver (thats God's Name) can harm YHVH, it just means that covenant isn't going to instantly end the fight.

And with it The One Giver's own passives come into play and her own hax.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And you're right, transduality doesn't make it so The One Giver (thats God's Name) can harm YHVH, it just means that covenant isn't going to instantly end the fight.

And with it The One Giver's own passives come into play and her own hax.

Except she doesn't have the 10-D has to bypass the defensive aspects of it, or even 9-D stuff to affect the infinite YhVh heads

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And you have yet to cite the fact that transduality even blocks it in the first place.

 

[Udlmaster]

And that's fine, as she doesn't need to have a victory via death, she can force a incap victory via her passives that would suppress YHVH.

And she does have 9-D statements, as it's needless to say, we can have the Umbra being a transcendent realm, as it is stated to be, or we can scale her to the epiphanies, which transcends concrete reality, making her infinite infinity 9-D.

And I can pull out 10-D scaling too, it's not difficult, I have scaling for the One Giver being 5-D all the way to High Outerversal

 

[Yobo_Blue]

>High Outerversal

This is smelling fishier and fishier. Regardless, you should probably debate that in a CRT rather than here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

She cannot suppress YHVH if she cannot affect him at all. And you're dodging the transduality issue.

 

[Udlmaster]

I'd prefer you keep to the debate and not make borderline fallacious comments and my scaling, as you're opinion on it has nothing to do with the argument at hand and is a underhanded attempt to discredit me.

And I am not dodging the issue, I am address what I can at the moment.


And I have given ways in which she can affect YHVH, please do not plead ignorance.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

As I've said, the part that pertains here has already been mentioned. You yourself are invoking the fallacy fallacy, so I'd suggest you actually respond to what I have stated rather than accuse me.

Than all you had to do was say that.

And you have yet to prove those claims are enough to affect higher dimensional forms.

 

[Udlmaster]

1. No, I'm not making the fallacy fallacy, read up what the fallacy fallacy is before incorrectly using it, calling someone out on making a fallacy isn't making a fallacy.

2. That is self evident in a debate.

3. I've already given a reasoning for her to be on equal dimension as YHVH.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Your argument here on my reasoning does indeed invoke it, as it attempts to discredit the issue with a CRT by invoking a unrelated fallacy.

Not necessarily. In most forms of debate, silence is equivalent to assent.

No, you haven't. You claimed you had, and would have to make a crt for that anyway. You also have not given reasons for her being 10-D.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'm still waiting for that blog that brings God to 1-A

 

[Udlmaster]

1. Are you serious? No, it doesn't, the fallacy fallacy is invoked when I state you're wrong because you made a fallacy, that is not what I did, and to say I am making the fallacy is intellectually dishonest.

And I'm not making a CRT, I'm saying the One Giver has fluid tiering, which can be addressed when I'm better, as I am currently suffering with Cluster headaches.

2. Silence is the absence of any comment, as I am not addressing it.

3. I can effortlessly get her to 10-D but that wasn't what I said, I made her infinite infinity 9-D, equal to YHVH.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Then it is agreed you failed to address the fact these abilities required a CRT? Because other than claiming I am wrong because there has possibly been a fallacy made, that piece of info has not been addressed.

You should make a CRT if that is not on her page.

If you do not make a comment, you have not proven your point, which is necessary when making positive claims.

The issue is even if that had already been addressed on the profile, which it has not, she lacks the 10-D power to bypass the Covenant

 

[Udlmaster]

1. You just dodged the fact that you was objectively wrong about me using the fallacy fallacy, concession accepted on that part.

2. No, obviously not, if you read my comment you'd know that what I said I would address it (which means as Tony do bugalu rightly pointed out) as the 1-A blog.

3. Things have to be in 2 places, pages or respect blog, what I stated is in the respect blog, please get mad without all the junk cluttering up the page as is, feel free to drop by the blog.

4. And I am also no furthering the argument based on my positive claim.

5. I've already addressed this and will address you further tomorrow.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

1. In that case, it must have been agreed that you dropped the CRT argument earlier, as the concession would only work if you had not done so.

2&3. No, if it is something as important as tiering or what powers she has it must be listed as part of the explanation on her page.

4. I'd you have made a positive claim and not supported it, it cannot be taken into account.

5. I do not believe you have, but if you indeed have, you would not mind linking where this occurred?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'll just repost what I said on the other thread

In all honesty, I really do think making a CRT to get his points across is the best action, so that situations like these don't come up again. I also will not be able to respond for some time.

 

[Udlmaster]

1. I wasn't doing any CRT or require such, as I never claimed to be making one, which was the thing you tried to push on me, which I've continuously denied you, so once more, concession accepted on that front.

2. No, it doesn't, checked any of the Cthulhu Mythos pages.

3. See 2

4. I have given reasons for why transduality wouldnt be affected by higher dimensionality, as it's completely irrelevant to the point of transduality, nor do they intersect at all.

5. Literally where I said I got her to infinite infinity 9-D, and with transduality, where she transcends and is transdual from the infinite platonic concepts of the Supernal realm as well as she's unbound from existence and non-existence.

So on top of answering me, can he affect someone who's not only transdual but that is beyond existing and not existing.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bump

 

[Udlmaster]

Oof, this is somewhat old.


But I am highly interested.