Tyranids Vs Gem Empire

[WeeklyBattles]

And the Diamond ships, and the Diamonds, and the Cluster, and Lapises. And yes actually Homeworld DOES sent in White Lights and has canonically done so multiple times during the rebellion to which Rose was the only one capable of fighting them off and even when she did the Lights shattered thousands of Gems each and always caused mass devastation wherever they were used. A High 6-A what canonically fodderizes other High 6-As will have no trouble dealing with a bunch of High 6-Cs

 

[Keeweed]

You keep mentioning the Cluster, but Homeworld doesn't have the Cluster. They made one Cluster, and it isn't on their side. It's stuck in a planet and actively went against Homeworld every scene they interacted. It has the most reason to hate Homeworld out of every other character in the show. The Diamonds also aren't the type to just run out into the battlefield. They only attacked Steven on Earth because everything else failed and it had been thousands of years. Every other invasion we've seen they sat back and watched. When it comes to the White Lights, a 6-C (Rose was in her 6-C key at the time she fought them) managed to fend all of them off. And a much smaller army of 7-A's compared to the Tyranids managed to not get defeated by the White Lights (they lost a lot of battles but didn't have the rebellion instantly destroyed)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Rose fought Light Warriors not White Lights, note the key on White Light's profile

Long story short Tyranids have nothing sans the Swarmlords that can do anything once White Lights hit the battlefield

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And i dont really think you know what youre talking about if you think Rose's army wasnt defeated by White Lights, the White Lights decimated her forces every time they were used, its why she was the one who constantly had to fight them off.

 

[Keeweed]

I know she did but that means the White Lights apparently never attack her with the High 6-A form so why would they attack the Tyranids with the High 6-A form.

Even assuming all the White Lights get released instantly and all use their high 6-A forms; literally only a single thing in Homeworld's arsenal can defeat the Swarmlords are tomes and so far I don't have a proper explanation on them because apparently the other tomes aren't comparable to Fable (Steven Universe) in anyway since you said they cannot be one shot despite Fable being perfectly capable of getting one shot.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because they would be sending the High 6-A form and not the 6-C form

Fable herself is not a Tome, she is the manifestation of a Tome's consiousness

 

[Keeweed]

But they didn't send the High 6-A version against the person that could defeat their 6-C versions so why would they automatically send out the High 6-A version against an enemy they've never seen before; like how the Tyranids don't instantly send out Swarmlords.

What's the durability of a tome? Also reading up on tomes they are stated to be ancient to even Era 1 gems so what are the chances the Diamonds just have a shit ton of them ready to use at all times.

Edit: My auto correct is killing me today

 

[IvoryAS]

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[Keeweed]

My phone does it, and it was just trying to change phone to Phoen.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

That means your auto correct is working perfectly.

By the way, you don't even really need 6-C Tyranids. A bunch of the more fodder warriors use weapons that are already High 6-C. Again, these guys and their weapons can be massively mass produced easily. Any fodder Tyranid that doesn't contribute or just gets destroyed without doing anything is gonna quickly stop being made and all of that excess biomass channeled into more successful Tyranid forms.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

White Lights can easily be mass produced as well via Replicator Wands

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

A lot of things should logically be replicable infinitely because of replicator wands, yet we don't see the Gem Empire just swarm Rose's rebellion or any other confrontation with White Lights, or normal Gem warships become obsolete through infinitely copied Diamond Warships which are by far stronger.

 

[Keeweed]

Which is a technique that we have never seen be used by Homeworld (and that's not something you can just assume they do, especially since Howeworld is a bit egotistical at times); meanwhile mass production is something Tyranid's use all the time.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Again, im still not seeing anything other than the Swarmlords that would be able to get past White Lights being dropped on the planet. Homeworld has canonically used High 6-A Lights during the Rebellion and to conquer other planets.

 

[IvoryAS]

Would I be allowed to vote Gem Empire FRA?

 

[Keeweed]

I still not seeing anything other than the tomes that would get past the Swarmlords, but the tombs are stated to be ancient compared to even the ancient gems, so Homeworld having a ton of them and just chucking them around despite this being a new enemy they have never met before is ridiculous. Meanwhile the Swarmlords actually have a reason to show up (White Lights screwing thenselves over more than helping as they force the Swarmlords to come out and slaughter everyone). Even if Homeworld did just use everything in their arsenal prefectly despite never hinted or applying that tomes are something they have a ton of and use constantly. What stops the Tyranids from throwing a bunch of useless soldiers at the tomes to figure out where the range of the tomes is and avoiding that area or the tome itself, if it can move, and just killing all the White Lights and High 6-A characters (reminder the Swarmlords have planetary range so they don't need to go within the tomes kilometers range to kill the High 6-A's).

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I'm amazed the Tyranids haven't already devoured all of Warhammer.

Tyranids FRA.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Tomes just bfr them, , you cant punch your way iut of bfr

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Homeworld has also cabonically used tomes to trap enemies before, and they have hundreds of them

 

[Keeweed]

But they have to get into range first (also responsing to the new comment, there are millions to billions of Tyranids that's obviously way more than the hundreds of tomes). The Swarmlords have plenty of ways to figure out what that range is (like sending a bunch of fodder soldiers to get bfr'd). What stops Swarmlords from shooting the tomes from out of the Tome's range. Also the Swarmlords don't even need to do that much to screw Homeworld over. If the Diamonds die the only High 6-A gems with high 6-A durability are the White Lights, but they aren't gems; they're autopiloted tanks. If all the other Gems get slaughtered by high 6-C weapons and the Swarmlords kill the Diamonds then there no gems left to be apart of the Homeworld empire and an empire can't win if the only members left are tanks without crew members that can just be left to randomly attack everything on a now deserted planet as everyone else who lived there died (assuming the Tomes aren't people, but if they are what stops them from getting sniped (wait is that book Steven has at the beginning of the game the tome; because if it is what stops tomes from getting sniped)). (The Diamonds aren't subtle when it comes to being the leader and they also aren't subtle when it comes to them being the strongest thus painting a target on their backs for the Swarmlords).

 

[Promestein]

Doesn't matter if Swarmlord is BFR'd. The Hive Mind will just make another one. There's strong implications that more than one Swarmlord has been active at a time.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Prom And the Gems can just bfr that one, I dont quite think you guys fully understand that a single Tome can bfr hundreds of swarmlord's and the Gems have hundreds of tomes

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Keeweed White Lights oneshot everything but the swarmlords, swarmlords get bfred.

 

[Keeweed]

The Hive Mind good luck Bfring it. What stops the tomes from getting sniped out of the range of their Bfr.

 

[Holyhotsauce]

@Prom And the Gems can just bfr that one, I dont quite think you guys fully understand that a single Tome can bfr hundreds of swarmlord's and the Gems have hundreds of tomes

A. There can only be so many Tomes in so many places at once, and by the time they start to specifically use Tomes against the Swarmlords major damage will most likely have already been done.

B. The Tyranids would adapt to this tactic rather quickly, with new Tyranid biomorphs specialising in long rang heavy-weapons to snipe the Tomes and/or using Zoanthropes to snipe Tomes with psykic powers. (Not to mention they already have long range weapon biomorphs, most of which have 6-C or above level weaponry)

Whether they could simply create more Tomes or not, I am unaware of.

White Lights can easily be mass produced as well via Replicator Wands

Homeworld has never mass replicated their superweapons, Tomes or White Lights with replicator wands in-character, plus, if the replicator wand is destroyed then all the copies will cease to exist.

Please note: I am not discounting the very likely possibility of the Gem Empire mass producing White Light weapons by making more of them the 'normal' (I.E making them however they normally make them) way, the Gems do have a massive military-industrial complex after all. Same with the Warships, they can make more with whatever resources they have + make ships more designed to kill Tyranids currently rather than magicing more of them in with replicator wands.

Long story short Tyranids have nothing sans the Swarmlords that can do anything once White Lights hit the battlefield

Which is exactly why they'd start make more Swarmlords, a single Swarmlord would kill an extreme amount of White Light's and still not be hurt, many different Swarmlords operating at the same time in the same theatre of war would take any amount of White Lights the Gem Empire throws at them.

I doubt they could deploy enough White Lights to cover the multitude of planets the Tyranids will be invading at once, and on the ones they can't they'd be forced to use their normal military forces (hand ships, gem warriors, etc.) which get clapped by basically any large Tyranid force. Harmony Cores probably won't be effective, considering that most Tyranids are already puppets of the Hive Mind with basically no conciousness of their own. I don't know the specifics of how a Sapphire's future-vision works so I can't say whether the SITW will be able to affect it or not.

I am not saying this will be an easy fight for the Tyranids, this will be an extremely close arms race type battle, but one that I think the Tyranids will eventually win

Since I'm the OP tho, I'm not allowed to vote on my own thread

 

[Promestein]

The Swarmlord is not the only powerful Tyranid individual of note. There's others, like the Doom of Malan'tai, which consumed the core of an Eldar Craftworld and proceeded to annihilate the Craftworld itself, putting it at around Low 5-B with some pretty good Mind and Soul Manipulation, given that it consumed every Eldar that survived the initial invasion, as well as each Eldar in the ship's Infinity Circuit.

The Gem Empire can hold back an invasion, but will lose more and more with every battle. The Tyranids will consume everything on the planet, and even if it's lacking in biomass they'll just find other planets that aren't.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Before I respond to this, please do show me one instance of the tyranids mass producing swarmlords

 

[Promestein]

I never said anything about mass-producing Swarmlords? But if one gets BFR'd, the Hive Mind will make another one. They've operated on different fronts before, but never mass-produced them.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not you prom, keeweed and holy

 

[CinnabarManx421]

I mean, the Gems can also just trap the Swarmlords in TK, they have enough power to stop a Class Z LS character from even being able to budge.

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Before I respond to this, please do show me one instance of the tyranids mass producing swarmlords

They wouldn't mass produce Swarmlords per se, they would just be pumping out Hive Tyrants with physical qualities similar to that of the Swarmlord. There'd still be the one 'true' Swarmlord that can respawn surrounded by normal Hive Tyrants with the physical qualities of the Swarmlord.

There isn't anything special about the Swarmlords physical characteristics that would stop the Hive Mind from replicating it and putting a regular Hive Tyrant.

Yes, I know this sounds hypocritical considering we argued against the Gems infinitely replicating ships and weapons with replicator wands, but it's something the Tyranids would do in-character considering their whole shtick is "improvise, adapt, overcome".

 

[Keeweed]

I'm pretty sure I never said they can mass produce them. I maybe hinted at it on accident but I never said they could straight up could. I was going off that there around seven notable Tyranids that should be around Swarmlord's level so I called them Swarmlords to make it easier when it came to wording.

 

[Promestein]

Yeah, I think that's wank.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Prom Thank you thats exactly what i was thinking too

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Yeah, I think that's wank.

Ok, point conceded.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but I'll point this out: the Swarmlord is not going to appear until the Tyranid's typical strategies fail.

So, depending on exactly how successful or unsuccessful the Gems are in combating the the Tyranids, it might never even appear at all.

 

[QrowBarr]

Gem FRA.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Can't we all just get along and destroy organic life together? C'mon, it's perfect! The Tyranids numbers, the Gems's Tech, they can't lose! ovo

 

[Holyhotsauce]

I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but I'll point this out: the Swarmlord is not going to appear until the Tyranid's typical strategies fail.
So, depending on exactly how successful the Gems are in combating the the Tyranids, it might never even appear at all.

The Tyranids pretty much crash through Gem ground soldiers/warships before White Lights/Tomes/Superweapons are deployed, at which point typical Tyranid strategies will likely fail and the Swarmlord will be spawned.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Actually Gems would probbaly still dominate on the ground, they're way faster than the average Tyranid soldier it seems.