Type 8/9 Immortalities and Abilities Restriction

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

In VS Matches, we came to forbid the restriction of abilities in order to make a match "fairer"...

...Except for Immortalities reliant on higher-dimensional stuff, for some reasons. Not only do we allow them to be restricted, we outright put their restrictions in the rules for VS Threads. Why is that?

The official reason is that these abilities are seen as "unfair" and are unable to be countered by most characters. While true, it...isn't a good reason at all. We don't do this for any abilities at all other than these kinds of immortality, not even those that are impossible to counter for most characters, such as most Godly regens.

There is basically no difference between Type 9 immortality based on a higher dimensional being and High-Godly regen in their applications in battle. So, why do we force the Immortality to be restricted at all times unless it's able to be countered? Can't we do the same we do with regen, aka just not make a fight when this ability can't be countered?

Hell, plenty of characters have unresistable hax that is based on higher dimensional stuff (Homura, GOEM, etc), yet those aren't restricted or even restrictable. I just find this restriction really arbitrary when considering that other abilities are as impossible to counter as others.

 

[ALRF]

Woa

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

ye Woa

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I tend to agree with Saikowa here.

 

[The_Causality]

 

[DMB_1]

Yeah, I agree.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I agree. 682 for example.

 

[ALRF]

I'll agree too

I see no reason to restrict higher dimensionuru immortalities in vs threads automatically while keeping higher dimensional abilities on for some reason.

Both of them are, in a sense, unfair (though it's how they lead to this unfairness is where they differ from each other)

And totes not because Masadaverse has higher dimensional immortality. Nope. Not at all

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

This gets especially dumb when a character is a living concept.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

rip most Reinhard matches tho

 

[DMB_1]

What bout higher dimensional '''resistances'''? They seem fine to me.

 

[ALRF]

Resistances were never restricted

 

[DMB_1]

Yes, but since we are talking about higher dimensional hax, resistaces ae still a subject.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If we allow immortality and offensive hax, we have no reasons to restrict Resistances either. Tis be silly.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wait, but the doctor has protection from The White Guardian. So that should probably be added to his profile.

 

[Andytrenom]

Agree with Saikou here.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I agree with this

 

[Kaltias]

The reason why they started to be restricted was due to stuff like "You can't do anything meaningful to 682 because you have to beat 1-Bs before you can do that".

I agree with removing the restriction, just want to point out why it was a thing to begin with.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Well, I agree with Saikou

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

SCP might be upgraded to High 1-B soon though

 

[TriforcePower1]

I may sound like an idiot, but why can't we just restrict higher-dimensional hax, instead of allowing 8/9 immortality?

 

[ALRF]

Because of this whole deal of "can't restrict abilities" or smth

 

[Kaltias]

Because there is no real point in restricting an ability because it's "too broken".

If the character is too strong, don't use them

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I mean, Immortality is more like the nature of existence of ones being, not really an ability.

But I'm mostly neutral about the proposal tho.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Changing the nature of existence of one's being is probably 10 times worse than just forbidding a character from using a special skill though.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Changing the nature of existence of one's being is probably 10 times worse than just forbidding a character from using a special skill though.

Fair enough.

Now question is, why is Reinhard on the topic?

 

[ALRF]

Because Reinhard loves all

He attracts all

 

[DMB_1]

Fair enough.

Now question is, why is Reinhard on the topic?

1-A Immortality.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Another thing I need to know, will the match with restricted Immortality be added if the whole restricting stuff got removed?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Most likely the same as with any ability restricted (Outside of skills with a different tier than yours): probably not.

 

[YungManzi]

A few days ago I made a whole essay as to why I think higher dimensional hax should be restricted unless a character has some kind of counter for it. I erased it because it came off pretty hostile towards some characters and overall was not something I felt like discussing at the time...

I agree that all types of immortality should be allowed, but I also think that the OP of the VS thread shoud be able to restrict it if they wish.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not interested in versus matches, so I am neutral about this.

 

[Self_Love]

I agree. Taking away a character's immortality means your not actually in a versus match with them, but someone else entirely. It defines them.

If characters can't counter it then they have no business in the match, but for those that can, it's 1000% more interesting and meaningful.

 

[Dziga]

 Reinhard agrees.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I agree as well

 

[TriforcePower1]

I think it should be allowed to be restricted if the OP wants

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Triforce Like I said, if we're going to allow those to be restricted, then what's stopping us from allowing the restriction of regen? Or other Higher D hax? It's arbitrary to only allow these kinds of abilities to be restricted but not others, who act pretty much the same.

It would be allowed, but only for fun-only matches, not matches to be added.

 

[YungManzi]

The problem with this is that there are already a very limited number of higher dimensional characters, let alone 3-D characters who can counter higher dimensional hax and immortality (They would also have to be on a semi-comparable tier, most of the time, for it to be considered a fair match). An example: What 7-A character has resistance to 1-A Death Hax? What 7-C character can put down someone with immortality based on a 1-A being constantly healing them?

Making it so that people can't restrict these types of things turn otherwise fair matches into complete stomps.There are some characters who would literally only ever lose a match when it's a complete and utter stomp, just because they have higher dimensional immortality.

IMO putting a character with higher dimensional hax/immortality against a normal 3-D character with no counter to it, is the epitome of a spite match. It basically throws all feats out of the window and puts Absolute Attack against a character without a counter for it. Or, in the case of Immortality, Absolute Defense.

What's your point in saying all this?

Higher dimensional Immortality/Hax shouldn't be automatically restricted, but people should be able to restrict it if they want to.

 

[Jinsye]

Redoing Kharn vs. 682 after this btw

 

[WeeklyBattles]

682 vs Kharn has been outdated for a long time, as soon as Khorne's null was changed to cap at 4-A it became outdated