Type 5 immortality

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well, for a while I have been wondering, how do you kill a being with Type 5 Inmortality.

The page states that they are: "Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them."

Well, what happens if you destroye their body? or if the lack any regen and you cut them in half? How exactly do you deal with someone like this in a "lethal" way?

 

[Wokistan]

Well you can't destroy matter via purely physical means (which is where EE comes in), but if they don't have any regen and are reduced to dust or whatever they're still incapped even if technically alive.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So "killing" them beyond their Regenerationn means they lose?

Also, what about using other abilities, like soul hax or transmutation?

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah there's still the alternate wincons. If they just can't do anything except sorta be there they're done.

 

[Antoniofer]

Users can't be killed, but they generally can be destroyed; without regen, great amount of damage can incapacitate them, even if they remain thinking after that.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, soul hax or mind hax would work on them?

 

[Wokistan]

Idk what we'd assume for soul hax. Mind max yeah.

Personally I wouldn't think the soul stuff would work unless it's the type of thing like body control through controlling souls, since type 5's for being outside of the concept of death and souls don't supersede concepts by default.

 

[Antoniofer]

If they aren't alive nor dead and rather in an state of unbirth they shouldn't have a soul (as the soul is the immortal essence of the living). Mind Manipulation should work.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

In short, Inmortality Type 5 can be bypassed by any lethal means that goes beyond the regenerative capabilities a character has?

 

[Antoniofer]

Oh, hold on, Type 5 not necessary involve amortals; so user may have a soul, but since is not conventionally bound to the circle of life and death then they shouldn't need a soul (destroying it would involve regenerating it, or not being affected at all aside of no longernuser life-force based abilities).

 

[Wokistan]

In short, Inmortality Type 5 can be bypassed by any lethal means that goes beyond the regenerative capabilities a character has?

The immortality isn't being bypassed. You just don't need to die to lose a fight. Stuff like this would fail if the guy doesn't need to be intact to do his stuff and just doesn't have good regen, like if they've got thought based abilities.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Not the point but you get what I meant, you can go around such inmortality using abilities that go beyond their regen.

They won't die but they can't do anything back either.

 

[Planck69]

Why does this immortality feel a bit more......useless?

 

[Antoniofer]

It avoid the user to die and generally makes it immune to Life and Death Manipulation, so it fulfill its purpose, Immortality do not grant Regenerationn by default.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Also, what happens when someone is non existent and has this type of inmortality?

How do you deal with them?

 

[Antoniofer]

I believe most of them have this kind of immortality, in whose case NPI still enough, although I would suggest to look at that particular case to determinate it.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well, in the case of beings like Monika who lack regen and only have this?

What do you think is enough to deal with her?

 

[Antoniofer]

What does it need to kill/destroy in her respective verse?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

AFAIK she was never destroyed in her verse

 

[Antoniofer]

Then, what, in theory, is unable to kill/destroy in her respective verse?

 

[SchroKatze]

Non-Existent Physiology normally ends up giving this type of immortality by default

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Nothing, she becomes non existent and has this inmortality on top of having a normal verse with her being the only exception.