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so basically, she will get another key or what?
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BruhI don't like DDLC upgrade
If accepted, we simply upgrade her NEP from type 1 to type 2.so basically, she will get another key or what?
They said if acceptedNobody said this was accepted, and we need staff
Because we don't equate ones ability to exist after plot and history erasure as conceptual non-existent, but I kinda have different argument now though.Wait, why the previous CRT to it was rejected?
Uh? And why?Because we don't equate ones ability to exist after plot and history erasure as conceptual non-existent, but I kinda have different argument now though.
I'm not sure for the plot erasure reasonings, but all histories/timelines erasure is indeed nowhere as good as conceptual erasure, such as erasing the idea of "you/me" or the reason why ones could exist.Uh? And why?
I mean, Plot erasure is like yeeting out of the narrative, I don't see how that is not enough to a conceptual nonexistenceI'm not sure for the plot erasure reasonings, but all histories/timelines erasure is indeed nowhere as good as conceptual erasure, such as erasing the idea of "you/me" or the reason why ones could exist.
I believe that too.I mean, Plot erasure is like yeeting out of the narrative, I don't see how that is not enough to a conceptual nonexistence
You are not the only one.
Anyways, I very obviously agree with this. The fact that she is no longer part of anything, the game can't even register her, and the whole chr files seems enough for NEP2.
Don't be surprised if it gets rejected though.
I mean, until you don't errase the file he would still exist.If accepted, we simply upgrade her NEP from type 1 to type 2.
What about we deleting her files but she still existing?I mean, until you don't errase the file he would still exist.
The proof that Monika in game isn't NEP Monika also is this: if you try to delete her from the game before starts a new game, then the game would change
Monika already has NEP in her profile, and she is only NEP when she gets EE'd, not at the beginning.I mean, until you don't errase the file he would still exist.
The proof that Monika in game isn't NEP Monika also is this: if you try to delete her from the game before starts a new game, then the game would change
Exactly this, this is the evidence that it is not a merely game mechanics, the game treats it literally as a basic fundamental existence. Deleting it also yeets said characters from plot and history as domino effects.Once they got their chr files erased, the entire history gets changed, the game can't register them aka their name is glitched, and no one remembers them. The character files are what defines them.
It doesn't, no. This seems like a misunderstanding of what concepts actually are. The idea of those deleted isn't gone or anything, just their data. At best you could argue that several characters implicitly forget that they exist, but then again Monika at that juncture has manipulated the **** out of said characters, even outside of her playthrough. So no, I wouldn't say its a safe assumption.I mean, why not? It functions basically as a concept no?
Once they got their chr files erased, the entire history gets changed, the game can't register them aka their name is glitched, and no one remembers them. The character files are what defines them.
My memory is a bit foggy, but what's the difference between this and erasing their concept? Is it the whole "The concept of you still exists"?
She manipulated the characters, yes, but I don't remember it being stated that she made the characters forget that Sayori exist, for example, her file was erased, it does makes sense that the characters doesnt even remember herIt doesn't, no. This seems like a misunderstanding of what concepts actually are. The idea of those deleted isn't gone or anything, just their data. At best you could argue that several characters implicitly forget that they exist, but then again Monika at that juncture has manipulated the **** out of said characters, even outside of her playthrough. So no, I wouldn't say its a safe assumption.
Honestly, this sound a bit rude, to a game character, files can work like a concept, since, it is their more fundamental level of existence, at least it does makes sense to me and for other people, I mean, u can prove the reason that it is wrong, but I dont think that saying that the question is comical sounds goodThis is the most comical question I think I've ever been asked.
I mean, yes, the point is existence erasure, Monika was plot-erased by the player, she had her files deleted, but she still existed after it, and this CRT is trying to give him NEP type 2 (currently, she has type 1)These points sound like Existence Erasure and Reality Warping, dunno about Conceptual.
It is both, yes.These last points above me sound like Existence Erasure and Reality Warping, dunno about Conceptual.
They are erased from the whole narrative and history from the game, so I wouldn't say only their data are gone. And like I said, it was only something like chain effects caused by Monika deleting their chr files, which makes said chr files as the very basic of existences, in my opinion.It doesn't, no. This seems like a misunderstanding of what concepts actually are. The idea of those deleted isn't gone or anything, just their data. At best you could argue that several characters implicitly forget that they exist, but then again Monika at that juncture has manipulated the **** out of said characters, even outside of her playthrough. So no, I wouldn't say its a safe assumption.
It is not just mind, body, or soul erasure since they are completely gone from the game, even from the main menu. I don't think it as a literal conceptual erasure, but something equate to it, like I said, their very basic fondation of existences. And, it doesn't need to be explicited as "conceptual nothingness", being completely gone on all levels is enough as per the understanding of mine.No. Much like if you obliterated the mind, body, and soul of an individual in the real world, removing their files isn't conceptual erasure (or nonexistence) without some supporting text or information.
2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The lack of absolutely everything to a state of nonexistence at a conceptual level. Such a state defies even the most basic logical principles and is unknowable in the truest form, as it is not a state at all. Such entities are typically presented as primordial voids or pure emptiness, or any abstract state which precedes or opposes the state of existence on all levels. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. |
You wouldn't be gone from the entire game with only mind, body, and soul being erased.You would be completely gone if your mind body and soul were erased, yes.
Which glitches?And they are not. There exist glitches in which the game still acknowledges they should be there.
This doesn't debunk anything, like, being able to restore a concept after being erased doesn't make said a concept not a concept.Furthermore, the files can still be restored without totally rewriting the data- there exists things they are being restored from.
Sorry, I just saw this, but to say it capped at data level just because it is a data is a dishonesty at it's finest, no offense. It's like saying a Big Bang is restricted to 4-dimensional spacetime despite it being higher dimensional is naturally possible. If we assume it works like the basic existence of the characters then I don't see not being equal to a concept.EDIT: Let me put it like this. Currently, every argument in this thread hinges on us assuming data files = concepts when this isn't the case. It is, in fact, data. This verse is a piece of metafiction that acknowledges it is a video game. It never deletes the concept, it deletes something in our world (data) because Monika is data. No concepts deleted. Just a data file. So without some other extraordinary reveal of information, I don't see any legitimate way of considering Monika a Type 2 barring blatant dishonesty. That's pretty much my final take on the subject.