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twin but from different verses
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Zenon doesn’t have a soul
Arcker123
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That should be noted on the profile
Reiatsu still has stuff like fear manip and paralysis which i'm not seeing resistances towards, so Reiatsu should still be a huge factor here, if not just an instant GG.
What does Zenon do? What's his AP value?
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That should be noted on the profile
meh. my bad.
Resists fear aura from those far stronger than he is (from the devil that attacked his country), paralysis seems like it’s based on being so scared you go into a state of shock and freeze.
Oh and btw aura stuff asides soul crush only works if the other character can sense it. So no point responding to all of the above.
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Arcker123
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This match is a wash. Either it's the case Ulq's reiatsu fear crushes him, or he gets AP stomped, as Ulq's 10x weaker and only his strongest attacks are relative.
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Ulq's fear manip layers scale to his soul manip layers, so i'll need reason to think that they're on the sam level.
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.Wrong. Check Aizen soul crushing grimmjow.
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Why would soul crush be limited to ones who can sense it?
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Ulq's fear manip layers scale to his soul manip layers, so i'll need reason to think that they're on the sam level.
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Why does it scale to his soul manip layers? Unless you’re saying it’s soul based.
Idk give me a chapter or something? What am i supposed to find there aside Grimmjow getting his soul literally crushed. I wonder how that would prove paralysis isn’t fear based unless you’re saying it’s soul based. Are you saying it’s soul based paralysis?
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Resistance to Aura? (Can resist those with more overwhelming aura than himself). Should I index it that way?
Besides doesn’t matter if Zenon can’t sense Ulquiorra’s reiatsu and if energy is equalized then Zenon wouldn’t be bothered by it since he’s far stronger himself.
Edit: unless you say it’s soul based fear aura then… Zenon is immune it it.
Lol didn’t humans only get their soul crushed but weren’t going crazy over Aizen’s power?
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1. They're subsets of Soul Manip. That's why it would scale off the layers.
2. Aizen just wanted Grimmjow to go back to his seat. In chapter 618, Aizen also warned the Muken Guards that if they were to go near him, they would be EE'd. So that argument you just made is completely invalid.
3. Does Zenon's aura induce anything?
4. If you're implying Zenon can't sense his reiatsu then Zenon can't harm him, simple as that
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Doesn't that mean said effects only works because it affects the soul?
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Can you rephrase what you said? I didn't catch that.
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Won’t work cuz Zenon doesn’t have a soul. It’s with his devil, Belzeebub.
I made an argument against Ulq not Aizen
Fear and madness on weaker beings who sense it. Supernatural Willpower or being relative negs this.
Why is this question a point?
If you're implying Zenon can't sense his reiatsu then Zenon can't harm him, simple as that
why?
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My fault if that one went out differently--their Reiatsu effects are linked to their Soul Manip.
Wouldn't matter cause the Mind Body and Soul are linked. Even if Zenon doesn't have a soul, his layers of Mind Manip negs
-> "Lol didn’t humans only get their soul crushed but weren’t going crazy over Aizen’s power?"
Pretty sure the layers of Soul Manip would be able to handle that
Actually I forgot that my argument was kinda shit, so you can disregard that
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you just proved their mind manipulation is through soul manipulation because their soul is linked to the mind and body. So it’s not affecting Zenon.
Still not an argument against Aizen. It’s an example of how fear and paralysis induced aura doesn’t affect those who can’t sense said aura in the first place. So they just get erased since humans have a soul in general.
irrelevant. I was merely answering your question that was also irrelevant to the discussion. Never said it’s a wincon, Ulq can’t even sense mana.
Ok.
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Just went back to check
but it’s possible Zenon’s soul would only be taken away after he defeats Yuno so he probably still has his soul here.
but it’s possible Zenon’s soul would only be taken away after he defeats Yuno so he probably still has his soul here.
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Eh, fair nuff
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Just correcting this, don’t care about the match up.
You actually don’t need to be able to sense it to be affected. It’s why Aizen was erasing things and people who aren’t spiritually aware despite being transcendent to people who are during Deicide.
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I assume the erasure isn’t soul crush but my point is those people who aren’t spiritually aware aren’t affected by things that require spiritual awareness. Or were they paralyzed? Were they having various ailments before getting erased? If so then no problem.
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The erasure is just an effect from his transcendent reiatsu so it kinda falls under the same category. The goober kinda didn’t suffer any of the other effects since Aizen was restraining his reiatsu to around himself at the time to **** with Ichigo’s friends. The moment he was in range, half his body got erased (whole body in the anime) and Aizen moved on with his day without giving af.
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Would you say those ailments (paralysis, fear, etc) are via Reiatsu’s effect on the soul?
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Bleach characters attack the mind body and soul at once.
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Because the soul is linked to the mind and body right?
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44.35 physically, 443.5 with energy attacks
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Shouldn't Ulquiora Lanza should scale way above his GRC as a strongest attack so it should be 10x amp ?
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His strongest attacks, sure but I was only listing the 443.5 because he spams the shit out of CO as his standard move.
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Yeah I know but I want to know if we can use 10x amp for Lanza because of his CO doesn't work he would switch to Lanza right
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Lanza would just be unquantifiably above since it’s > GRC > CO = 443.5, we just don’t know how much stronger.
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Yeah but difference between CO and GRC is accepted as 10x amp in the profile.
So Lanza should be atleast 10x amp right? That's what I meant
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No? GRC is just superior to CO, thus making it at least x10 the basic Cero, not CO.
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Yeah my bad I just realised that.
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