Triangle guy fights a Sun God retry

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

vs


Bug: 0

2-A versions

Triangle Guy:

Sun God:

tie:

FIGHT!!!!

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

I was going to say stomp for Solaris but he doesn't seem to have many hax or resistance to said hax so unless he spams existence erasure bill hax stomps

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bill has haxes but he's baseline. Solaris is millions of times above baseline 2-A. Solaris eats the dorito with a multiverse devouring black hole.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Does hax not negate durability because if that is the case he may spam before Solaris uses said devouring black hole otherwise I don't know

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wrong solaris link

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bill has haxes but he's baseline. Solaris is millions of times above baseline 2-A. Solaris eats the dorito with a multiverse devouring black hole.

Source for this please?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Does hax not negate durability because if that is the case he may spam before Solaris uses said devouring black hole otherwise I don't know

Hax does negate durability as they're both 2-A but Solaris was eating the Pre-Genesis multiverse just be existing. Bill probably gets swallowed before he can activate any of his hax.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's not millions of times above baseline, not to mention a similar thing can be argued where Time Baby said him merely being in existence would cause it to collapse

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

That's not millions of times above baseline, not to mention a similar thing can be argued where Time Baby said him merely being in existence would cause it to collapse

I saw on here that Great Harmony puts Archie Sonic at millions of times above baseline 2-A. Solaris of course took on Super Sonic, Super Shadow, and Super Silver at once.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Uh, source please?

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Wait so are they at around the same level or not

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[Jinsye]

How does an AP advantage matter when Bill has low-godly?

And how does eating him bypass Low-GOdly?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

How does an AP advantage matter when Bill has low-godly?

Because Solaris can erase him from existence with his black holes. Archie Solaris is no different than the game version other than being 2-A instead of 2-C.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

>black holes destroy the soul

Ummm... what?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

>black holes destroy the soul

Ummm... what?

Black holes that consume time itself.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Well bill transcends time soo ...

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well bill transcends time soo ...

Game Solaris has the Eyes of Solaris, which are space-time rifts that suck in objects or fling them out. Anything that enters gets sucked into oblivion, hence the existence erasure on his profile.

Archie Solaris has basically the same thing except they're called black holes and they destroy on a much larger scale. If Bill gets sucked in he's getting erased.

 

[Jinsye]

And proof they erase the 2-D essence Bill is made of?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And proof they erase the 2-D essence Bill is made of?

What? Existence erasure from a 4D is definitely going to erase a 2D.

Also could have sworn Bill was physically 4D. He had the "multi-dimensional" makeover so he definitely isn't physically a 2D anymore.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Depends on whether tries his whole HOW BOUT THIS MOVE

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Also based on the profiles bill has way more hax and resistance to said hax coupled with the intelligence boost seems to give bill a solid win

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nigh-omniscience doesn't mean you have knowledge on characters outside your own verse though. There's also the fact that Bill likes to toy around. Solaris is a monster who devours anything in his path.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sigh...I debunked the "Bill plays around" argument half a dozen times already.

@Shadow. It's nothing against you. I'm just jaded of the same argument when I had to post a giant post to prove that Bill isn't a jobber.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Archie 2-As just got some hax buffs.

With that being said, Solaris definitely has this wrapped up via existence erasure, reality warping, and conceptual manipulation. BTW I should correct myself when I previously said Solaris was millions of times baseline, he's thousands of times baseline. Still far superior to Bill who is only baseline.

Also, here's the correct Solaris page as that's game Solaris in the OP.

 

[Jinsye]

I mean

Bill can just snap his fingers

Also AP doesnt matter when they both have godly regen

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Solaris can just stand there and devour him, thus erasing him from existence.

When it comes to 2-A, hax does matter more than AP but let's not pretend that it makes AP completely meaningless. Solaris's abilities are still on a greater scale than Bill's.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Bill is a far cooler apocalypse monster than Solaris

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Solaris has a more badass theme though, and I like his phase 2 design.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Unrelated to the debate but can someone link me to the thread where the hax buffs were made and agreed upon?

 

[Jinsye]

>Greater scale

AP /=/ scale of your hax tho

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

for who

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I heard Bill was getting revised. Tis true?

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

yeah i am making a thread with a like 20 or something more ailities with more to add and an ap upgrade for is restricted and unrestricted forms

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Isn't type 3 conceptual only 3-Dimensional BTW? So Solaris conceptual sucks?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Concepts that are "abstract and govern all reality" doesn't sound 3D to me :\

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Unrelated to the debate but can someone link me to the thread where the hax buffs were made and agreed upon?

They were discussed here and approved.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Isn't type 3 conceptual only 3-Dimensional BTW? So Solaris conceptual sucks?

No it's not. That depends on the dimensional level of the character. A 4D character (which is what Solaris is) with Type 3 concept manipulation can manipulate concepts on a 4D scale.