Egg vs Dorito (Eggman vs Bill Cipher)

[y3p_owo]

Both are 2-A
Light-Eggman will be used
Speed is equalized
Fight ends with incap or death
Both are in-character

Super Saiyan Eggman (Dr. Eggman):
Discord but Evil (Bill Cipher):
Super Sonic saves the day! (Tie): Stillwinston

 

[Flowerguy2]

I am dreaming or why did Eggman suddenly have a Super Saiyan form out of nowhere-

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

I am dreaming or why did Eggman suddenly have a Super Saiyan form out of nowhere-

A recent Sonic Channel story gave him a transformation

 

[Flashlight237]

I dunno, aside from the abilities the Phantom Ruby would have, Eggman's still little more than a regular human, and the Resistance to Transmutation bit for Adventure Eggman was explicitly written for his machines in his profile, so he doesn't get that. Bill Cipher can do everything Eggman couldn't and his High-Mid Regen makes it hard for Eggman to kill him in an otherwise unstoppable-vs-immovable battle. Granted Bill has this weakness where he just couldn't resist a deal, but then, what good is that when Eggman doesn't have a means to deal with Cipher from within?

I'm not voting yet as I'd rather wait for a counterargument.

 

[JJSliderman]

Eggman should still have a transmutation resistance via being unaffected by Blue Wisps, although I don’t think it’s layered.

Both of them can do their hax with finger snaps and Eggman’s is subjective reality stuff and history manip which works on type 1 acausals

 

[Flashlight237]

Eggman should still have a transmutation resistance via being unaffected by Blue Wisps, although I don’t think it’s layered.

Both of them can do their hax with finger snaps and Eggman’s is subjective reality stuff and history manip which works on type 1 acausals

Perhaps that can help, I mean I do recall a memory destroying gun being used to destroy Bill Cipher from within, although the finale had shown Bill as a statue at the very end, so I think that merely incapacitated him.

 

[y3p_owo]

Perhaps that can help, I mean I do recall a memory destroying gun being used to destroy Bill Cipher from within, although the finale had shown Bill as a statue at the very end, so I think that merely incapacitated him.

Statue Bill is what happens when his soul leaves his physical body, which he does to enter others' minds. (Basically what I'm saying is that the gun had nothing to do with Bill's body being a statue.)

 

[Theuser789]

Eggman's still little more than a regular human

Eggman is as much a regular human in this match as Sonic is a regular guy.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Eggman doesn't seem to have the resistences Super forms have since he's powered by the ruby, so idk what stops Bill from just snapping and turning him into a banner or putting him to sleep

Eggman having limited stamina is also an issue here, especially since Bill has low godly regen

 

[Theuser789]

Eggman can just warp Bill in a dream world where he thinks he won, while absorbing his energy. So it's more who goes first.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Eggman can just warp Bill in a dream world where he thinks he won, while absorbing his energy. So it's more who goes first.

How in character and how fast Eggman would do it? Because Bill can do both with a snap, and it's definitely in character for him to lead with it against anyone not called the Pines family

 

[Theuser789]

Eggman already did so in the story before the fight even began (By using the Egg Field). Honestly, it seems thought-based.

 

[JJSliderman]

Pretty sure his trigger is also a finger snap.

 

[Stillwinston]

Hmmmm this is starting to sound like an incon there tbh

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Then I guess it could be incon since it's really a matter of who acts first

 

[Stillwinston]

Yeah fair, Imma vote Incon here both seem to open with things the other doesn't come back from

 

[y3p_owo]

How in character and how fast Eggman would do it? Because Bill can do both with a snap, and it's definitely in character for him to lead with it against anyone not called the Pines family

Bill and him snapping is kind of a weird thing. Like, half the time he does snap and other half he either points to fire a big ass beam (Time Baby) or just tries to punch the shit out of something (The Shacktron).

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bill and him snapping is kind of a weird thing. Like, half the time he does snap and other half he either points to fire a big ass beam (Time Baby) or just tries to punch the shit out of something (The Shacktron).

His behavior against Time Baby is different because they have a grudge to each other, but for most opponents he has no ties to, he snaps them (Like Mabel putting her to sleep, Prestom Northwest having every hole in his body shuffled, Ford being turned to gold and the other members of the zodiac turning into banners), so Bill is actually pretty likely to snap in battle

 

[StrymULTRA]

Both of them can do their hax with finger snaps and Eggman’s is subjective reality stuff and history manip which works on type 1 acausals

Does it work on also Type 4 Acasuals? Pretty sure Type 4 combined with Type 1 makes ya immune to stuff that affects just Type 1 due to their acausality being "better".

 

[JJSliderman]

Sonic technically resisted it and he’s type 4, but that was more due to power null than his acausality status.

 

[y3p_owo]

Does it work on also Type 4 Acasuals? Pretty sure Type 4 combined with Type 1 makes ya immune to stuff that affects just Type 1 due to their acausality being "better".

Not that I can find, but I also didn't see much that Type 4 could do to counter Light-Eggman. Plus Eggman could just send him to the Shadow Realm Null-Space if his Egg Field stuff doesn't work, which I don't see Bill having a counter for from what I recall.

(Though this likely won't matter anyways seeing as the Sonic-verse is likely getting upgraded to 5 - 7D, meaning this whole thing is likely to be scrapped. Don't you just love hypertimelines? I sure don't. )

 

[JJSliderman]

They’re a real “love and hate” for me.

 

[Stillwinston]

Damn, well all the same was amazed Eggman got a saiyan form man's some serious gains at the gym lol

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Bump

 

[Chanimate]

I'm not sure. Both are fairy arrogant and sure of themselves. I think Bill Cipher would likely start with trying to laser him (like with Time Baby or when Ford tried to shoot him) or by trying to petrify / otherwise transform him (He seems to do that a lot in the series, like again with Ford, most of the Townsfolk, the main characters after they fail to do the Zodiac thing, and taking away Mabel's cuteness in Dreamscapers). If that doesn't work, then he might try to do his other, more extreme hax like reality warping.

Looking at Eggman's profile, he doesn't seem to have the usual invulnerability granted by Super Forms. Unless I'm mistaken, most characters use the Phantom Ruby to create clones and warp reality, so I imagine that would be close to the first thing Eggman does, if he doesn't also start by just trying to like... punch Bill or something. I would argue he's a higher tier, but we're making both 2-A, so...

ATM, I think I'm voting Inconclusive, maybe leaning towards Bill (since he has regeneration and more instances of him straight up killing his enemies).

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Since when does Eggy have a super form

 

[That_moron2]

incon fra

 

[Chanimate]

Since when does Eggy have a super form

Since the Sonic Channel made like a calendar story or something about it. It's only in Japanese, but you can have the page translate it (it's a bit awkward, translation's not the best)

 

[y3p_owo]

Oh yeah forgot about this. Since 5D Mainline Sonic has passed, I'll ask a mod if they can close this up.