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Transformers General Discussion

Ok, to correct something I said earlier, protoform are actually for travelling interstellar distances without a spaceship and quickly, not specifically for entering the atmosphere apparently. So with that logic, all Transformers probably CAN survive re-entry, but they need a protoform to travel interstellar distances quickly unless they have a flight mode. This is why we see tlk Optimus frozen in space because he forgot to strip himself. but could re-enter cybertron's atmosphere just fine, or the fact that starscream could just re-enter the atmosphere as he pleases without the need to get naked become a protoform

That being said, we still shouldn't re-entry as the weights are extremely inconsistent throughout media.
 
I guess we could use these, as well as the fact that the aerialbots and autobots in the last battle weren't fully one-shot by a lot of tryptico's attacks.
 
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For the Star Saber, it was used against Unicron, but he only formed Earth after his defeat, so he's not really 5-B
 
Can we talk about Grindor for just a sec?

His Summary on his Page:
"You have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one over on Grindor. A master strategist, and close combat specialist, Grindor can predict his opponents' next move before they know it themselves. It's reached the point where it's less planning and more instinct on his part. With every possible move planned out beforehand, Grindor confidently wades into the center of battle, ready for any and all comers."

and yet he has Average Intelligence on his Page. I just think it's really funny.
 
Maybe he should get above average. But tbf, all he did in the movie was fall victim to optimus' face fetish
 
It'd be funnier if grindor really does have average intelligence and wrote his own bio to make himself sound smarter
 
No but seriously, we need to add Scorponok to Blackout's Equipment and make a page for him. He funnily enough has more Screentime than Blackout himself does.
 
What is scorponok AP? I think he's like 9-B.

Rookie should definitely get a profile, he's basically a nerfed cab lol
 
When somebody is willing to start making them. I think I'll start UT or RID 2001 once we're done with all the existing verses atm, my to do list is:

  • Add new scaling for aligned soundwave
  • Add abilities to the alternity and hytherion pages
  • This technically isn't revising but more adding new pages for bayverse and bayverse eu. But it's not as high on my to do list as the others are.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Depends. He really ****** up Jetfire in RoTF despite getting One-Shot by him at the end. I honestly don't remember what exactly he did in 2007.
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Actually, I guess that just means Scorponok could have two different Keys. 9-B is certainly a Safe Bet for Scorponok, but at the same time I can't for the life of me see him being any weaker than Ravage who could do some notable Chip Damage to Bumblebee.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
When somebody is willing to start making them. I think I'll start UT or RID 2001 once we're done with all the existing verses atm, my to do list is:

  • Add new scaling for aligned soundwave
  • Add abilities to the alternity and hytherion pages
  • This technically isn't revising but more adding new pages for bayverse and bayverse eu. But it's not as high on my to do list as the others are.
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Never mind, did those 2.

NOW, we've pretty much revised every single profile in the for Transformers as of now and I think we can move on to new things. Congratulations and Hallelujah.
 
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Emirp sumitpo said:
I guess we could use these, as well as the fact that the aerialbots and autobots in the last battle weren't fully one-shot by a lot of tryptico's attacks.
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In that timestamp, it looks like Trypticon is in his super weapon mode. He didn't use that in the final battle IIRC.
 
It should still somewhat scale to his physicals tho, the characters can still survive his somewhat weaker attacks, and if I remember right, they can also survive his tail swipe, albeit they get heavily damaged. That would give them an "At most" or "Possibly"
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
It should still somewhat scale to his physicals tho, the characters can still survive his somewhat weaker attacks, and if I remember right, they can also survive his tail swipe, albeit they get heavily damaged. That would give them an "At most" or "Possibly"
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I don't think Trypticon's physicals would scale to his weapon mode firepower, since he doesn't tank his own blast anywhere IIRC.

It is unknown how strong his firepower is in robot mode in comparison to his weapons mode, but the two modes seem to work in different ways in regards to mechanism etc.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I mean, shouldn't the energy that contained inside you somewhat scale to your phyisicals?
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Then shouldn't EU Bay Prime be star level due to scaling to Star Harvester? At least in his Jetpower mode? I mean, Megatron's body even survived the AllSpark energies, and Jetpower is stronger than him, so it wouldn't exactly be inconsistent.
 
Primestar3 said:
Then shouldn't EU Bay Prime be star level due to scaling to Star Harvester? At least in his Jetpower mode? I mean, Megatron's body even survived the AllSpark energies, and Jetpower is stronger than him, so it wouldn't exactly be inconsistent.
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That's different because the star harvester is a machine whereas Trypticon is a regular cybertronian, and as we see, Cybertronians in the game are somewhat comparable to their own weaponry, I don't see how trypticon is different. But even if trypticon can still do the feat, no one truly scales to him and I still feel the Aligned game characters shouldn't have profiles. The only character I can think of that has a solid AP is Metroplex, who should be High 8-C to 8-A via sheer size, being 600 feet.

And Megatron very BARELY survived getting smashed by him, so unless you wanna count that as an feat for the cast, then no other character really a solid AP feat.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
That's different because the star harvester is a machine whereas Trypticon is a regular cybertronian, and as we see, Cybertronians in the game are somewhat comparable to their own weaponry, I don't see how trypticon is different. But even if trypticon can still do the feat, no one truly scales to him and I still feel the Aligned game characters shouldn't have profiles. The only character I can think of that has a solid AP is Metroplex, who should be High 8-C to 8-A via sheer size, being 600 feet.

And Megatron very BARELY survived getting smashed by him, so unless you wanna count that as an feat for the cast, then no other character really a solid AP feat.
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I don't think energy containing would discriminate on whether or not something is a character, tho.

I don't remember WFC TFs scaling to their weapons any other way besides possibly that.
 
They can take hits from their own weaponry. But even if the trypticon things is true, it shouldn't be used to scale anyone as scaling to that is iffy, similar to how the idw titans and idw thunderwing scale to no one. Other than Metroplex, the Aligned profiles don't have any proper AP feats, and so I don't they should have profiles either way.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
They can take hits from their own weaponry. But even if the trypticon things is true, it shouldn't be used to scale anyone as scaling to that is iffy, similar to how the idw titans and idw thunderwing scale to no one.
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Still, at the point where Trypticon shoots, idk, teraton level weaponry, I don't think he would scale without getting hit by his own blast as proof.

True. IIRC, Autobots couldn't damage Trypticon anyway, besides some weak points.
 
We could calc surviving re-entry, the problem is that neither Trypticon nor the aerialbot's have a canon weight. iirc, the characters can survive being smacked by trypticon's tail, but their health bar decrease from 4 to 1.
 
On the topic on vague feats: here are all the characters who I feel deserve extra profiles.

- Optimus Prime: IDW | Rise of the Dark spark | Titan Comics | Alternate Future (Titan Comics)

- Megatron: IDW | Titan Comics | Alternate Future (Titan Comics) | DS Game

- Shockwave: IDW

- Starscream: IDW | DS Game

- Bumblebee: IDW

- Lockdown: Rise of the Dark Spark
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
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I think the base versions of Titan alternate future would scale to normal timeline versions if they have no amps.

There are some planet level characters in Titan:

  • Some living planet (organic)
  • Unicron entity that possessed Cybertron.
  • Cybertron itself is possibly a Transformer (likely Primus)

In the alternate future, Megatron states that he is AllSpark, and AllSpark is him. So, maybe Megatron scales to AllSpark? Optimus could be wanked by saying he somewhat scales to AllSpark Megatron. However, in another issue, it was implied Optimus would have died to a human nuke, so IDK.
 
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The first one doesn't possess enough feats to justify a profile. The second and third are part of the multiversal primus and Unicron.

How strong is the allspark tho? It's very inconsistent throughtout different media, the only one that has a solid AP is the idw and titan comic, and not the alternate future one.
 
Also I'm iffy on adding ROTDS as the best feat I can find in that game is Grimlock smashing a bridge. and I get the feeling it might only be 9-A to 8-C
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The first one doesn't possess enough feats to justify a profile. The second and third are part of the multiversal primus and Unicron.

How strong is the allspark tho? It's very inconsistent throughtout different media, the only one that has a solid AP is the idw and titan comic, and not the alternate future one.
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I think the first one would be planet level by default.

In the alternate future, even a shard of AllSpark was said to contain unlimited power by Ratchet (who analyzed it), and AllSpark could terraform Earth, though that was taking some time. If the alternate timeline is considered a divergent to the main Titan timeline (which it is), then Optimus's 3-A statement would apply.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also I'm iffy on adding ROTDS as the best feat I can find in that game is Grimlock smashing a bridge. and I get the feeling it might only be 9-A to 8-C
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Regarding that, the implication seems to be that the events of the earlier movies happened in that timeline, so they shouldn't be any different than the normal Bayverse, I think. At least up until AOE.
 
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