Transformers General Discussion

[Primestar3]

Apparently, Ramjet survived his decapitation.

He gets decapitated in an early comic:
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But shows up on Earth later:


Could be an error tho.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Would the Extended Universe Canon also apply to the Games? At least for when the Autobots win their Story Modes?

I wouldn't say so tbh.

Apparently, Ramjet survived his decapitation.

He gets decapitated in an early comic:
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But shows up on Earth later:


Could be an error tho.

Several transformers can survive decapitation through unknown circumstances

 

[Primestar3]

I wouldn't say so tbh.

Yeah, the Extended Universe is a continuity unto itself. Like IDW G1. It wouldn't include games that condradict it.

Not even the DOTM games (any version) fit the comic/novel continuity, and those are supposed to be prequels to DOTM movie. @XSOULOFCINDERX

 

[LordTracer]

Yo, wasn’t Nova Prime supposed to have a ‘Low 2-C with hax’ after this last revision?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I dunno. I'll ask ByAsura

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Nevermind

Nova Prime should have that key. U can add it

 

[LordTracer]

Done.

 

[LordTracer]

Also you didn’t have to delete all the other profiles. There was really no reason to do that.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They didn't have a reason to stay tho. I thought that was agreed on in the Transformers (Universe) CRT. However, I guess you can ask for some of them to be restored and we can work out new ratings for them. But I still feel like some of them should stay deleted, such as dai atlas or the predacons

 

[LordTracer]

They didn’t really have a reason to be deleted in the first place though. I’m pretty sure there was a 6-C calc that the Seekers had been were scaling to, and Dai Atlas was scaling to the Toraxxis explosion before the Tier 2 upgrade.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

6-C was rejected because the autobots were apparently gonna be killed by the explosion and Thundercracker flew away from it rather than tank it. I felt Dai-atlas should be deleted because other than surviving the refinery explosion, there isn't any that notable about him. Hell, sideswipe is more impressive than him in terms of feats.

That being said. I think the seekers and magnus can be restored. The seekers survived the kinetic harpoon and the refinery explosion. and ultra magnus is much stronger than the seekers.

 

[ByAsura]

None of the Seekers survived it at point-blank range. It's pretty inconsequential.

Also, a lot of those profiles were very difficult to scale due to IDW inconsistencies, so deleting them was the better option.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Starscreams was closer to the explosion than Optimus was tho. And several characters who were close to the explosion survived it, and those characters are somewhat comparable to the seekers

 

[ByAsura]

They still weren't as close to it as Megatron. Optimus himself was also heavily damaged from that range, meaning the other Decepticons (that we didn't see until way after, btw) were likely crippled.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

There is one feat of skywarp surviving getting shot by base megs, who is presumably baseline. Would the seekers scale to that?

 

[ByAsura]

They would, but it's still not that impressive. The characters already scale to feats on that level.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I made this sandbox for thunder wing, omega, monstructor, metroplex, trypticon, Unicron and functionist Primus. Btw. check it out

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

If they're ok to add then I'll add them

 

[ByAsura]

Why's Thunderwing superior to Trypticon? Just wondering.

IMO, they're a little barebones, but relatively decent.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Trypticon was present during the battle against Thunderwing.

What else should I add?

 

[ByAsura]

Ok.

More feats and stuff like that. For example, Omega punched a hole through Devastator in All Hail Megatron.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Done. Could it be added now?

 

[ByAsura]

It's your choice.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Done

 

[LordTracer]

There is one feat of skywarp surviving getting shot by base megs, who is presumably baseline. Would the seekers scale to that?

The Seekers’ Tier 7 could downscale fo Low 7-B+ from that.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I guess so. That would mean soundwave would be downgraded to Low 7-B by virtue of being one-shot if prime is around baseline, I think, and the seekers are below him

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They still weren't as close to it as Megatron. Optimus himself was also heavily damaged from that range, meaning the other Decepticons (that we didn't see until way after, btw) were likely crippled.

Crippled or not, they still survived it. At most, Wouldn't that still place them baseline 7-B?

 

[ByAsura]

No, because the energy also decreases massively through surface area and distance.

Assuming the KH is baseline City level, they were 10-ish metres away and that someone like Starscream is 60 feet tall (there's a statement that Prime is 60 feet in TF #51 or something) gets 1 megaton, not to mention how far Optimus was. Even assuming the KH is City level already requires hefty assumptions.

Also, Transformers can survive getting cut in half. So being crippled isn't indicative of anything, especially since this Megatron can tank attacks from characters far stronger than Seekers without harm, yet was harmed by the KH.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Wouldn't Crosshairs and Drift be 8-A for killing Onslaught?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I already have that in mind. We're gonna upgrade some of the movie bots sooner or later.

But yes, crosshairs should be 8-A

 

[Shadyboi0]

I already have that in mind. We're gonna upgrade some of the movie bots sooner or later.

But yes, crosshairs should be 8-A

Let me know when because i have a feeling 7-C might creep up.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

There's at least 4 different 7-C Calcs if I remember correctly.

 

[Primestar3]

Would Optimus (canon) scale to Ark's durability?

In the opening scene of DOTM, Ark is damaged by a missile or bullet from an Orbital Assault Carrier (small Decepficon ships). Optimus himself survives a direct hit from one of their missile and tanks multiple bullets.

Ark survived the moon impact mostly intact.

 

[Primestar3]

Impact was picked up by the Very Large Array, New Mexico. IDK what it means if the impact was loud enough to be picked up by the array.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The ark scales to no one. And bits started flying off when it started to crash. So no.

 

[Primestar3]

The ark scales to no one. And bits started flying off when it started to crash. So no.

I am talking about this:

Ark takes some damage from Decepticon mini-ship's (damage to Ark's right wing).



It is unclear if that was a missile or a bullet (seems more like a missile tho).

If it is was a bullet, Optimus tanks multiple bullets from the small ships here:



If it was a missile, Optimus survives a direct missile hit to his back from the same ships, and survives without much injury. In the above timestamp, at 4:29, one of the ships fire a missile (it has a trail cloud) that hits Optimus's back dead on.

In the first video I posted, you can see that Ark survived the impact mostly intact, so it is still durable.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Still, we don't know the durability of the ark. And it still broke nonetheless. So we can't scale it to anyone

 

[Primestar3]

Still, we don't know the durability of the ark. And it still broke nonetheless. So we can't scale it to anyone

It did look mostly in one piece.

Not sure exactly how strong the impact was, but it was detected by VLA Radio Observatory, not sure how impressive that is tho (if at all).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It's only detected because the ship itself is gigantic

 

[ByAsura]

The feat is a little too vague given we don't know the exact ship or weapon (even playing it in slow-motion, you never see the projectile, just the explosion) that struck the Ark. Plus, Optimus was only on the fringes of the blast, and the ship itself appears to be completely undamaged by this first hit in later shots.