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Transformers General Discussion

Another thing is that the comics are in continuity with the prequel-sequel novels as the writer John Barber took the novel Ghosts of Yesterday continuity into account, and tried to fix a continuity error from it when writing the Sector 7 mini.

The page 2-3 section of his notes.

Also, the Veiled Threat is apparently meant to fit in with the IDW Alliance comic, at least according to TFWiki. So, that's another connection.
 
LordTracer said:
I don’t think Grimlock has a weight to actually calc though? And how many of the Constructicons have 7-C calcs?

Can you link it?

I don’t think you immediately get Supersonic for dodging sound-based weapons, you’d probably have to actually calc someone dodging to see what you get.
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Grimlock is confirmed by Bay to be 850 tons. However, I'm pretty sure he didn't come to Earth by reentry. He was brought with Lockdown's ship. I only brought his weight up because Driller, which easily dwarfs Grimlock, should weigh much more, and Driller itself likely came to Earth by reentry.
 
Grimlock to be 850 tons. Using the re-entry formula. I got 11.15009560229445462 kilotons, 7-C. Drller is argaubly the largest character in the movies, so he should be heavier than grimlock.

Long haul, scavenger and scavenger were 7-C. I did it here from waaayyy earlier:
Ok, so here's a rough calc I made using the main six constructicons that forms devastator (Scavenger, Hightower, Long Haul, Mixmaster, Rampage, Scrapper) and excluding the extras. He can become bigger the more constructicons combines with

889041.05 kg + 623700 kg + 42000 kg + 48990 kg + 20021 kg + 272155 kg = 1895907kg

KE = 1.14702E+14 J = Approximately 27 kilotons of TNT = Town level

We're not gonna use this, and I probably did something wrong, but it is a interesting result

The twins could hurt devastator to a certain extent.

I'll paste the onslaught calc in a blog I'll make later. But I'll shove it here now.

Onslaught's vehicle mode is 23,000 lbs, also 10432.625 KG. Using the kinetic energy calculator here, and the same re-entry speed like the rest, we get 631174000000 J, also 150.854206500956025 tons of TNT, 8-A.

I'll place the proper calcs in a blog later.
 
You know there's a guidebook called Transformers: Movie Universe that states that Devastator combined is only 20 tons. I would say this does not match his on-screen portrayal at all (whose mere movements were shaking the area).

This guidebook also says that Fallen is 9 tons. The ROTF script and the novel said he was 50 tons.
 
The guidebooks aren't really written by the guys at paramount. 20 Tons for someone like devastator is ridiculously light. Also could you at least provide scans?
 
Oh yeah, it kinda is.

Also. I'm not a fan of us using the guidebooks for the weight and stuff. First, the weights are really wack. Second, I believe the guys at paramount wanted to avoid stuff like mass-shifting and scaling issues.
 
Also, I agree these are way too light.

Though it says that Fallen can unmake creation and can open portals at micoseconds. Says that his power is limitless and unquantifiable. So, that's kind of cool.
 
Going by the script and the novel, Fallen is 50 tons.
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Movie Script, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

Movie script for Transformers: Revenge of the FallenAIM-120 Missiles & Spare Fins, Landing Gear Door Cover: SR-71 Blackbird, 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' Movie Script
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(the page saying his weight)
He is "50 tons of hardened steel" and "40 feet". This is the same description from the novel.

Also, he appeared to be one of the meteors that hit the battleships at 30000 knots in ROTF.
 
Primestar3 said:
The novel itself had NASA calculate that if Ark hit Earth instead of the moon, it would have created a crater the size of multiple cities, and/or could possibly have even split or sink a continent. Since it hit the moon, the impact was probably weaker due to the Moon's gravity but IDK by how much. Starscream in that novel damaged the same Ark's stabilizer, which made it lose control and get lost in space. Though that novel was written by Peter David, while the comics were written by John Barber. Also, the novel is somewhat inconsistent, as it also described Shockwave as being able to incinerate an Abrams tank, which would probably be weaker than Starscream damaging Ark.
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Can I have a scan for this?

I also created the blog and added the most notable feats that were placed here.
 
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Titan Magazines feats, anti feats and statements. For some reason, they have more anti feats than IDW. I wanted to make a blog post but got lazy. I won't put scans for every one of these. Maybe will later.

Anti feats include:
ROTF Soundwave is damaged by WW2 battleship machine gun and flight 19.

File:Titan15 Soundwaveghostship.jpg - Transformers Wiki

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In a DOTM era issue, Ironhide gets knocked out by a gas truck explosion.

In another DOTM issue, Optimus says a fall from a cliff would rip him to pieces.

Starscream brought down some of an ancient cathedral on top of Ootimus and Bumblebee. Before the rubble hit them, Optimus said that it was going to hurt.

Feats include:
In a DOTM comic, Starscream lifts and throws this oil truck. It was loaded as when Ironhide tackled the truck, it exploded.

That same DOTM comic had Ironhide say to anti-Autobot protesters that the Autobots were not there to hurt them, despite the fact that they were carrying enough weaponry to level a city.

Ratchet and Jazz survives being caught in this explosion. Jazz disappeared (he went evil in this story, so he ran away from Ratchet), and Ratchet doesn't seem to have received much damage.

Dreadwing destroys a government building:

Thundercracker drones firepower can rip a submarine in half.

Ironhide destroys a portion of a bridge:

Unicron exists in the parallel universe storyline (Unicron's essence takes over Cybertron). Can teleport over vast distances (to sol system for example). When some Decepticons were trying to rip a hole in space to get Unicron to their dimension, Unicron helped them widen the hole so he could get in. Hd was going to ear Earth:

In one DOTM comix, this explosion pushes Optimus and Soundwave out of Lake Guatavita (which is max. 125 feet deep) and to the surface. Soundwave weighs around 1 ton, Optimus 6-8 tons or so (according to Titan official numbers). They appewred to be pretty deep, but not sure if they were in the deepest part.

It also destroys El Dorado, lost city of gold. El Dorado is called a city in this comic but IDK if it is literally city-sized. Going by the art, it looks more like a temple. I know gold is soft metal but there seems to be a lot of gold here (enough to crash the market according to Soundwave).



Also, the feats I've posted before had Brawl (Devastator) destroy alien skyscrapers, and streets, Ironhise be sabot proof and be able to ragdoll small tanks.

According to TFWiki summary, Bludgeon survived Las Vegas power output surging theough him. This caused a blackout on the city, but was knocked out.

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"Jolt admits this is pretty insightful, but Bludgeon missed out one thing about him: his whole body is one big power cell, and he was holding back before. Now, he grabs Bludgeon's sword, eats up Vegas's electricity, and then sends it surging back into Bludgeon! The Decepticon is defeated... and the city suffers a blackout."

All the movies are canon to Titan. At least up to TLK.
 
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It's not really that notable tbh. Incinerating a tank is only 8-B. And again, we're not using the titan comic to upgrade the current canon.
 
People were talking about making Titan profiles, so I gave feats for that purpose.

In regards to incinetaring a tank, I thought you were asking for a scan of it.



Continent (dangling Cybertron continents) moving energy goes through Quintessa here. Does this mean anything as durability, or did thfe energy just pass through? Her body seems to be affected by it as she's rocking back and forth slightly.

Optimus and Bumblebee both harmed her (she screamed in pain from both their attacks).
 
The timeframe for it is unknown. But I think traversing to star systems is at least FTL?
 
For what it's worth, Earth was an unknown planet according to Optimus in the first movie. Should probably be very far away from Cybertron.
 
In Bumblebee movie, Earth was called a well hidden planet by Optimus. Optimus also said that Autobots will scatter across the galaxy.

So, Earth should be far away from Cybertron in that movie too.
 
1. The bumblebee movie is not canon to bayverse anymore. And "well-hidden" doesn't exactly mean far away.

2. Megatron said he went from star system to star system, meaning he didn't travel to earth directly
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
1. The bumblebee movie is not canon to bayverse anymore. And "well-hidden" doesn't exactly mean far away.

2. Megatron said he went from star system to star system, meaning he didn't travel to earth directly
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I'm not saying it is Bayverse tho... I would imagine that Transformers would have noted its existence if it was close to Cybertron considering their tech level. Though admittedly I'm not sure.

I'm aware Megatron said that. If we take that quote seriously, he travelled through galaxies. Which should be FTL even if it took, say, million of years (it didn't), I think. However that may have been retconned as I said. In the comics, Earth is the farthest point Transformers have ever went to according to Starscream.

In the movie, the fact that he traversed interstellar distances might make him FTL. At max, it took him a few thousand years. According to Sector 7, Cube arrived to Earth in 10.000 BC. Fallen and the Dynasty arrived on Earth in 16.000 BC. By Optimus's generation, the Dynasty was already considered ancient. So, likely the timeframe for Megatron reaching Earth is relatively small. The fact that Earth is an unknown planet seemingly suggests it is far away. Though there might be some wiggle room, and it is not definitive proof of FTL.

He already has a very likely FTL feat in ROTF anyway, the fact that he is an interstellar jet only makes the ROTF feat make more sense.
 

One other thing I was going to post was this:

Lockdown says he has travelled to many galaxies. Would this count as MFTL for his ship? His ship didn't seem to have teleportation abilities and space bridge tech appears to be rare in the movieverse (according to ROTF and DOTM).
 
Again, we don't know the timeframe for it. And it doesn't really scale to anything
 
At least FTL is the best I can say honestly, considering we have no time frame.
 

Convergence chapter 1 - Transformers Wiki

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Apparently, the IDW comics writer John Barber tried to follow the continuity for Ark established by Hasbro bios according to TFWiki. This means Bayverse Extended Universe canon includes;
The movies
The comics
Some of the novels
Hasbro bios (I'm guessing if anything explicitly condradicts the comics or the novels, it doesn't count tho).
 
There might be some explosions visible from space on Cybertron:
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Image 3

I think these are indeed supposed to represent explosions on Cybertron's surface. The images below show other pages from the same miniseries above where the same artist draws explosions and they have a somewhat spikey look to them, just like in the previous scans:

Example explosion drawn by Milne in the same issue.
Another example.

Cybertron is bigger than Earth as shown in DOTM. So, if these are explosions, they are pretty big.

Intelligence and overall power feats

Ghosts of Yesterday novel (canon to IDW Bayverse):

"Active on station, Jazz was monitoring the same functions that would have required the full and undivided attention of a dozen highly trained human engineers who would not have understood the operational elements involved anyway."

"Barricade studied the readouts, absorbing far more information in a few seconds than any human could have in a similar span of months."

Tales of Fallen:
Fallen absorbed the mental mass of a hive intelligence seventy trillion strong, and probed the mental functions of creatures swimming in unrefined thought. It is hard to tell how smart those hives and creatures are, though they do sound smart. Still, it's obviously supposed to be impressive.

Fallen ravaged many high tech worlds all by himself. The montage of him conquering worlds showed creatures that appeared to have sentience. And many of the worlds had high tech weapons. We don't know any of their population count though. If the hive and those "unrefined thought" creatures are like this, it would be more impressive.

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High tech weapons he took from those worlds.

Using those weapons against the Primes.

Here too. They seem to be energy weapons as well as physical.

@Emirp sumitpo Do you think Starscream missiles scale to Ark's durability (as I said, it survived impact visible from space somewhat intact)?
 
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Would the Extended Universe Canon also apply to the Games? At least for when the Autobots win their Story Modes?
 
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For strength feats, Scrapper and Mixmaster (not the ones in the movie, these ones died thousands of years ago. The Consctructicons are mass produced drones according to the comic):

Scrapper
Mixmaster

Blackout lifts an alien tank bigger than himself:

Blackout lifts tank in the background

Megatron next to another tank's wreckage. Though this is another tank, it seems to be the same model as it is from the same race that invaded Cybertron. Another look of that tank beside Megatron.

Clocker, Signal Flare and Warpath together can lift this structure with some effort. In regards to that structure's size, it is bigger than the robots listed. The robots are bigger than Arcee (she is roughly motorcycle sized) and somewhat smaller than a carbot.

Eshems Nebula is lightyears away. Decepticons (including Megatron, Starscream, Blackout) reached it in a short time:
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Megatron came back pretty fast:

Optimus, Jazz and Prowl decide to sneak in to Megatron's headquarters.

While Megatron is in Eshems Nebula finishing a battle, Optimus, Jazz and Prowl are just about to enter his headquarters.

They enter:
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They couldn't even stay too long as Prowl says Megatron is already on his way. Optimus wishes they had more time. So clearly, it's not taking years for Megatron to come back to Cybertron.

Megatron comes back.

Going to and coming back from the Eshems Nebula seem to take place in a very short period of time overall (most of the scans I've posted are back to back).

However, Megatron does say he couldn't use a Space Bridge to track down the AllSpark at the end of the mini:
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This is unrelated to the Eshema Nebula thing (which happened earlier). Megatron didn't mention anything about Space Bridges in regards to reaching the Eshems Nebula and just seemed to take off right away with the other Decepticons to reach it. So, they didn't seem to have used Spacs Bridges to reach the Nebula, but maybe.

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I don't think so. The writers of the comics and the novels explicitly tried to fit the comics with the continuity of the novels and Hasbro bios, but not with the games.
 
I don't think so. The writers of the comics and the novels explicitly tried to fit the comics with the continuity of the novels and Hasbro bios, but not with the games. (I said this above, but you may not have noticed).
 
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