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It’s also visually shown in the most recent Generations Selects manga meaning it’s canon to the Japanese G1 continuityAlso did you know simon furman turned god into energon enema in earth wars?
Such brilliance, I'm telling you
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It’s also visually shown in the most recent Generations Selects manga meaning it’s canon to the Japanese G1 continuityAlso did you know simon furman turned god into energon enema in earth wars?
Such brilliance, I'm telling you
I know which missiles you're talking about, and I'm saying they absolutely didn't do that. There's two explosions and two missiles on screen that hit him, unless you're claiming that non-explosive burst of sparks on Optimus' back was the result of a missile, in which case I must ask why there aren't 2 impacts and why there's no missile visibly hitting him?They don't. The missile path directly leads to Optimus' back and then there is an explosion in his back that causes some some pieces of him to fly off. The missiles don't fly off-screen.
I am not talking about the two other missiles that hits the cars and explode in front of Optimus, if there os a confusion.
Asura was saying that Optimus was not hit by the small Decepticon ship missiles, and I disagreed.I don't mean to sound rude but what exactly are you 2 talking about?
The argument originally was that Ark was either damaged by a missile or a shell, and whether Optimus scales to that.Why does it matter tho?
Pretty sure the missiles aren't that big in comparison to Optimus, and they were closer to Optimus than you think. That would explain how fast they appeared to reach him, because they were pretty close to him when they were being obscured by Optimus's body.@Primestar They don't lead towards Optimus. They're on a downwards arc away from his body if you play it at 60 fps. The explosion on his back also happened straight after they were obscured by his back, meaning they'd have to be dozens of times faster.
Well, if the novel (based on a somewhat earlier script) counts as semi-canon, then Ark is ridicilously durable.Well, that seems pointless, as even if he scales or not, we don't know and probably can't find the ark's dura
NASA scientists in the novel calculated that if Ark hit Earth, it would create a crater the size of multiple cities, or even possibly sink or split a continent. They also calced that it was travelling at 33,000 mph.What is the Ark's dura in the novels?
Though the novel is a little inconsistent when it comes to feats. The narration says that Shockwave weapon is powerful enough to incinerate a tank (that kind of firepower would obviously be nothing to Ark durability). It also said that if there was an accident in the NASA pod Optimus and Ratchet used to bring Sentinel to Earth, all of the present inside would have died.Hm. But if we're planning to scale Optimus to the novels, that needs a seperate key, and depends on the context as well, as the novel differs a lot than the movie
That doesn't imply that that is the limit of shockwave's power.The narration says that Shockwave weapon is powerful enough to incinerate a tank (that kind of firepower would obviously be nothing to Ark durability).
I was talking more about the durability of the novel Ark scaling to the movie version if the novel details are canon to the movies unless they are condradicted (so, semi-canon).Same scenes don't happen in the movie and in the novels. Optimus probably never got attacked by the ships iirc.
That doesn't imply that that is the limit of shockwave's power.
I'm gonna re-read the novels and look for feats there, I still doubt they scale to the ark's dura, and if they do, it's a massive outlier
If this is true, then starscream does not scale to the ark at all.Regardless, in the novel, Starscream's missiles could damage Ark's cargo bay (IIRC), and, as I said, its stabilizer.
He shoots the stabilizer and the blast sems to shudder the ship (or maybe i shudders due to the lack of the stabilizer). Then the ship loses control due to having lost one stabilizer. I was talking in regards to Starscream damaging some of the the ship, not that it destroyed or damaged most of the ship tho.It seems to be a chain reaction, first starscream shoots a stabilizer, and it's destruction results in the rest of the ship being damged. So no, Stascream does not scale to the ark.
Do you mean something like stabilizer's metal possibly being less durable than the rest of the ship? I was thinking that the stabilizer might be more or less comparable to the rest of material Ark is made of, but you could be right if that is what you mean.Still, he doesn't scale either way.
Still, I would imagine that its composition wouldn't be TOO far off. I don't think that it is implied to be particularly fragile. Starscream seems to target it because it is a vital component (Ark went out of control the moment it was destroyed) and since it is a relatively smaller piece to destroy compared to the size of the whole ship, not that it is necessarily made out of weaker material.Maybe, but it's kinda implied that stabilizer is weaker and more fragile than the ark itself
In Bayverse, there are only 7 original Primes.I think only the fallen is High 6-A as well as the thirteenth prime when amped.
Ok, I understand what you mean now.It's definitely High 6-A or 183 petatons of TNT. Only the amped the fallen and the amped last prime would scale to that