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I feel like we need to revise the scaling from the prime characters. As soundwave being superior to Optimus and megs comes from the novels. And we know in the cartoon that soundwave is weaker than both
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Um, no, him being superior isn’t from the novels. He straight-up lost to Megatron in their battle in the novels (although Megs did state it was to first injury, so that doesn’t really mean much). It’s from Laserbeak being able to harm Upgraded Prime iirc.As soundwave being superior to Optimus and megs comes from the novels. And we know in the cartoon that soundwave is weaker than both
I think it's more or less laser beak being better at air combat than prime? Because wheeljack could contend with soundwaveUm, no, him being superior isn’t from the novels. He straight-up lost to Megatron in their battle in the novels (although Megs did state it was to first injury, so that doesn’t really mean much). It’s from Laserbeak being able to harm Upgraded Prime iirc.
Okay, I wasn’t contesting that. I was just correcting that it doesn’t come from the novels.
When it hit the moon, one of the NASA scientists said "impact detected, we have impact confirmed".It's only detected because the ship itself is gigantic
The Ark was being chased only by Decepticon Assault Carriers in that scene tho, nothing else.The feat is a little too vague given we don't know the exact ship or weapon (even playing it in slow-motion, you never see the projectile, just the explosion) that struck the Ark. Plus, Optimus was only on the fringes of the blast, and the ship itself appears to be completely undamaged by this first hit in later shots.
Yeah, but my point is it survived largely intact, not that it no sold the impact. If the impact was very strong and if the ship was fragile, it should have been in little pieces, not mostly one large piece.Again, we don't know the durability of the ark and it still broke nonetheless.
In fact, there's to believe that the durability of the ark could be lower than Low 7-C as Optimus could tank the attacks from the jets while the ark could not
In 4:28 of the video where Optimus gets shot (Sentinel VS Optimus video), you can see the furthest ship in the back launch a missile that leaves a cloud trail. The missile hits Optimus's back (that's where the explosion on his back comes from). The other ships also launch two other missiles. There are three in total.@Primestar Some of which look nothing like the ones later in DoTM. Notably, one is pentagonal while another has 2 wings.
No, one hit the car, one hit the ground next to the car. The explosion got him in the back.
The fact that there's no damage after seems to suggest it's some sort of incendiary weapon.
I never said that. If they did get damaged, then they wouldn't have their current rating. There's still no way to calc the ark's impact.There's no proof that any of the Protoforms get damaged by reentry tho.
That is why I'm wondering if the fact that NASA detected Ark mean anything.I never said that. If they did get damaged, then they wouldn't have their current rating. There's still no way to calc the ark's impact.
You could be right, as I said IDK the exact methods they use. Though I've looked it up and it seems that they detect it from the flashes the impacts make that are visible from space, though it didn't look like Ark had a big flash in the movie.Doesn't mean anything
Bringing this back. There are several calcs to support this and several characters who are in the 7-C rangeSo about 7-C bayverse. Is that still gonna be accepted?
I imagine the Cybertron ones are supposed to be the same thing as they do have the same exact sound effect as the ones from the Optimus scene and the size thing is inconsistency (perhaps to make the shells look clearer in the Cybertron scene or something), though you could be right and the Cybertron ones might be bigger.Ok, you mean that one, I got confused because they don't appear to be very powerful. For one, they're way smaller than any of the other projectiles, probably the Cybertronian equivalent of machine gun bullets. Second, the damage and explosion they deal is nowhere near what the larger shells that hit the Ark and those missiles could do.
One of the sequel series I had planned (yes, I’ve planned sequels because I want this to cover almost every part of the TF Mythos lol) has an arc where the Autobots, after (temporarily) defeating the Decepticons, travel through the multiverse. And one of the universes they go to is a universe where Megatron is given the Matrix and becomes Galvatron Prime, so the war never happens and Cybertron is completely peaceful until Unicron’s heralds show up. Although Unicron isn’t actually namedropped and the group is just called the Heralds of the Chaos-Bringer.I had this AU where the war never happens and Optimus and Megatron are leaders of a golden new age for Cybertron. They have this Vegeta and Goku sort of rivalry.
Yeah, that’s why I have her become a Prime, because I wanted her to win that lol.I think there was a poll in 2017 for who would become the next prime. Arcee was on there.
Sure, could be a different round.I imagine the Cybertron ones are supposed to be the same thing as they do have the same exact sound effect as the ones from the Optimus scene and the size thing is inconsistency (perhaps to make the shells look clearer in the Cybertron scene or something), though you could be right and the Cybertron ones might be bigger.
They're not clearer, just way bigger and fire individually. These are faster, more powerful and larger.
Regarding Optimus, he was hit by a missile as well as the bullets (hit by a missile right after he was hit by bullets).
Which didn't hit him at point-blank range.
But regardless, would you say that comic version of Bayverse Starscream scales to Ark?
Starscream damages Ark
Sure.
They don't. The missile path directly leads to Optimus' back and then there is an explosion in his back that causes some some pieces of him to fly off. The missiles don't fly off-screen.Those two missiles don't even go near him. They veer away off screen in the opposite direction and only two explosions are shown, both of which are from the same area as the other missiles. Did you see it in the frame-by-frame link I sent?