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Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

So one of yall mentioned baam scratching urek mazino. Considering it is a butterfly piercing technique it means it's more of a sudden increase in dura neg due to emotional state
 
Arceus0x said:
So one of yall mentioned baam scratching urek mazino. Considering it is a butterfly piercing technique it means it's more of a sudden increase in dura neg due to emotional state
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Urek tanked a point blank shot from a small Administrator with the power of a Top 300 High Ranker, and he wasn't even able to use shinsoo meaning that's as low as his defence can go.

It would require a never seen again level of dura-negation for early S2 Bam- who didn't even have the Thorn- to scratch Urek
 
Now that I think about it, I don't actually need the Mr. Finger calc evaluated if White's part of the Bamboo calc is, given how the scaling for Karaka's durability and Urek's 1% finger would turn out (Karaka can take hits from Green April Ignition Yuri, albeit he was soon getting destroyed by Yuri's Green Bubble Hax. Urek annihilated half of Karaka with 1% of his finger. 4.962 * 100 = 496.2 Teratons, or Country level+)

Here's the current Verse Staircase, which I think is almost complete- which is kind interesting considering that we're less than halfway through the story given that Enryu hasn't shown up in person yet (assuming SIU wasn't lying when he said that or hasn't changed his mind)

Also, the the rise in power level is surprisingly steady now, with very few gaps in the Tiers covered.

LOW - MID (Strong E-Rank Regulars to Strongest Regular Shown):
  • 7-C (Ran & Novick)
  • At least 7-C (Redan multiplier)
  • 7-C+ (Endorsi Crater)
  • Possibly High 7-C (Redan Multipler)
  • Likely High 7-C (Redan Multiplier division)
  • High 7-C (Hoaqin Crater)
  • High 7-C+ (Redan Multiplier)
  • Low 7-B (Bam vs Bamboo Spear)
  • At least Low 7-B, Likely 7-B+ (Redan Multiplier division)
  • At least Low 7-B+, Likely 7-A (Data Maschenny Storm)
MID - HIGH (Baseline Rankers to Advanced High Rankers):
  • Likely 6-C (Rankers on a Train)
  • 6-C (Bam cuts Data Zahard's Arena)
  • 6-C+ (Overpowering Two Elite Rankers)
  • High 6-C (Upscaling)
  • Likely Low 6-B (Backscaling)
  • Low 6-B (Rose Shower)
  • Low 6-B+ (White vs Bamboo)
  • Possibly 6-B (Upscaling)
  • Likely 6-B (Hell Joe Crater)
  • 6-B (Matching Two Top 100 Rankers)
  • At least 6-B (Khel Hellam Bull)
VERY HIGH (Top 50 High Rankers(?) / Folk who can handle Mr. Finger)
  • High 6-B+ (Urek's Finger 100% Multiplier)
TOP (13 Great Warriors and Urek)
  • 6-A+ (Blossom 99% Fatalities Skadoosh)
GOD (Enryu and Administrators)
  • At least High 6-A (Can wreck whole Floors)
GOD PLUS SHIPPING AND HANDLING (AKA The Outside God and Pentaminum):
  • Unknown (Literally called God, almost certainly stronger than their Messenger)
  • Unknown 2: The Prequel (Might end the Story if they get bored of it, thus making Phanta capable of low diffing The Outside God)
Basically the only thing that's missing/needs expanding on is higher ranks of Regulars (Strong B and A-Rank Regulars can probably push into High 7-A), and the uber powerful non-Irregulars. (Assuming that my Top/God Tier Buff CRT goes through and all my calcs are accepted)
(Also I think there's a Low 7-C feat that scales to average D-Rank Ticketers / the two FUG Regulars that showed up at Wooden Horse, in case we ever need a Wangnan profile)
 
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@ElajRuengies

I didn't understand the 6-B (Overpowering Two Top 100 Rankers). As far as I remember, Evankhell and Yama managed to deflect Khel Hellam's Bull attack to not hit the Cage completely

Yes, I was almost forgetting that S2 Karaka's durability would be 4,962 Teratons, and considering that 1% Urek nearly one-shot him with his finger, he at 100% and the 13 Warriors are comparable to each other, their AP would be 496.2 Teratons Wait a minute, did you manage to find a way to apply 6-A+ to Urek and the 13 Great Warriors?

Yes, I am also very surprised by the consistency of the ToG power level and speed after seeing the list that you make

One question, I understand that characters like Name Hunt Androssi are scaled to Name Hunt Ran with 2nd Redan, whose speed is "Likely Sub-Revativistic (Mach 13385.8)"

But I didn't understand this:
The Sub-Relativistic+'s like Data Maschenny with Redan are upscaled to be much faster than 2x the Sub-Relativistic's (Mach 43701.5)
The Sub-Relativistic's like Last Station Arc Baam are scaled to be 1/2 as fast as the Sub-Relativistic+'s (Mach 21850.8)

Shouldn't they be just Mach 26770? Or am I forgetting something?
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
@ElajRuengies

I didn't understand the 6-B (Overpowering Two Top 100 Rankers). As far as I remember, Evankhell and Yama managed to deflect Khel Hellam's Bull attack to not hit the Cage completely
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That's what I meant/was referencing, it was just less wordy than "Took Two Top 100 Rankers to block an attack"
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Yes, I was almost forgetting that S2 Karaka's durability would be 4,962 Teratons, and considering that 1% Urek nearly one-shot him with his finger, he at 100% and the 13 Warriors are comparable to each other, their AP would be 496.2 Teratons Wait a minute, did you manage to find a way to apply 6-A+ to Urek and the 13 Great Warriors?
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I didn't come up with anything new, them being 6-A+ is a if Eurasia's 99% Kill Shinsoo Swoosh is equated to a Floor-Sized explosion. (Which it may not be)
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Yes, I am also very surprised by the consistency of the ToG power level and speed after seeing the list that you make

One question, I understand that characters like Name Hunt Androssi are scaled to Name Hunt Ran with 2nd Redan, whose speed is "Likely Sub-Revativistic (Mach 13385.8)"

But I didn't understand this:
The Sub-Relativistic+'s like Data Maschenny with Redan are upscaled to be much faster than 2x the Sub-Relativistic's (Mach 43701.5)
The Sub-Relativistic's like Last Station Arc Baam are scaled to be 1/2 as fast as the Sub-Relativistic+'s (Mach 21850.8)

Shouldn't they be just Mach 26770? Or am I forgetting something?
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Redan Data Maschenny upscaled because if her speed was just multiplied by two, then that would imply that her base is just as fast as Early Hidden Floor Bam w/ Thorn, Hidden Floor Endorsi, and others comparable, even though she's shown to be much, much faster. (Biltzed Jeok, a Big Breeder who's more powerful than Chung, whom Endorsi and Bam were struggling against until Rachel took off the guy's headset and disconnected him)
 
Sudden realization but, can Love's 1st Test (the punching machine) be used to get info for getting the stats of Fodder tiers?

Obviously folk like Yihwa (who missed her first punch and ended up just bumping the pad) or Horyang (who wasn't ignited) or Love (Who, while barely hitting it with a "punch~", still got almost 100 times Viole's score) don't scale, but for the rest here would be the values- (scaling start of S2 Bam as around Novick level)

Arkraptor (3,250): 450.9 tons (Although Arkraptor usually fights with his umbrella not hand to hand)
Unignited Horyang (6,350): 881.1 tons
Robdevil (11,988): 1,663.4 tons / 1.7 Kilotons
Yihwa (22,384): 3,105.9 tons / 3.1 Kilotons (Nowhere near her max output)
Prince (25,521): 3,541.2 tons / 3.5 Kilotons (Genuinely got this score, surprisingly)
Love, effortlessly (13,200,000): 1,831,578.5 tons / 1.8 Megatons
Max Machine Can Handle (99,999,999,999,999): 13,736,838,600,000 tons / 13.7 Teratons (Machine can measure hits from folk lower than Top 300 High Rankers)
 
ElajRuengies said:
Now that I think about it, I don't actually need the Mr. Finger calc evaluated if White's part of the Bamboo calc is, given how the scaling for Karaka's durability and Urek's 1% finger would turn out (Karaka can take hits from Green April Ignition Yuri, albeit he was soon getting destroyed by Yuri's Green Bubble Hax. Urek annihilated half of Karaka with 1% of his finger. 4.962 * 100 = 496.2 Teratons, or Country level+)
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In fact, I still think Urek's finger calc can be useful, we can use it to scale to the Family Heads who aren't Arie Hon, Ha Yurin and Khun Eduan (who are the strongest of the Great Warriors and comparable to Arie Hon, who is equal to Urek, besides Zahard is stronger than Arie Hon) such as Gustang. What I'm proposing is that Urek's finger calc (4.14 Teratons) which is a casual attack, should be used to scale to the other 7 Great Warriors (414 Teratons), as they are portrayed as weaker than Yurin, Arie Hon and Eduan, who are stated to the strongest Family Heads, but overall they shouldn't be much inferior to these three I mentioned, but there is a difference in strength between them of course. Summarizing my proposal:

Gustang and other 6 Great Warriors: 414 Teratons (They should scale to a casual 100% Urek, whose AP is this strong)

Zahard, Yurin, Eduan and Arie Hon: 469 Teratons (Arie Hon fought on par with Urek, and his peers Yurin and Eduan are constantly portrayed as comparable to him, and Zahard is stronger than Arie Hon)

What do you think?
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
In fact, I still think Urek's finger calc can be useful, we can use it to scale to the Family Heads who aren't Arie Hon, Ha Yurin and Khun Eduan (who are the strongest of the Great Warriors and comparable to Arie Hon, who is equal to Urek, besides Zahard is stronger than Arie Hon) such as Gustang. What I'm proposing is that Urek's finger calc (4.14 Teratons) which is a casual attack, should be used to scale to the other 7 Great Warriors (414 Teratons), as they are portrayed as weaker than Yurin, Arie Hon and Eduan, who are stated to the strongest Family Heads, but overall they shouldn't be much inferior to these three I mentioned, but there is a difference in strength between them of course. Summarizing my proposal:

Gustang and other 6 Great Warriors: 414 Teratons (They should scale to a casual 100% Urek, whose AP is this strong)

Zahard, Yurin, Eduan and Arie Hon: 469 Teratons (Arie Hon fought on par with Urek, and his peers Yurin and Eduan are constantly portrayed as comparable to him, and Zahard is stronger than Arie Hon)

What do you think?
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The reason why the Mr. Finger calc isn't useful is because the resulting AP from it is lower than what normal scaling would get you; to reiterate
  • Karaka's durability is high enough that he can take hits from Green April Ignition Yuri with minimal damage, which puts it at 4.96 Teratons
  • The result of the AP of the Calc is only 4.14 Teratons, and yet Urek's finger still destroyed half of Karaka's body; doing way more damage than Green April Ignition Yuri, meaning it's at least 4.96 Teratons (Assuming factors like Piercing Damage weren't at play bc piercing damage isn't a thing in fiction)
  • Powerscaling Mr. Finger puts it higher than what Calcing Mr. Finger does, thus the calc is unnecessary.

Anyways, I do agree with you about putting the other Family Heads a below Urek, Real Eduan, and Real Zahard (so in other words, Gustang's profile), so it'd probably look like this-

Urek/Eduan/Zahard: At least 469 Teratons (A casual attack at 1% power severely damaged Karaka; should be more powerful than 100% of that / Arie Hon fought on par with Urek, and his peers Yurin and Eduan are constantly portrayed as comparable to him / Zahard is stronger than Arie Hon)

Gustang: 469 Teratons, possibly higher (Should be comparable to a casual 100% Urek)
 
@ElajRuengies
Yeah, It hink its make sense the scaling being like this:

Real Zahard, Urek and Real Eduan: At least High 6-B+ (Considerably superior to 469 Teratons)

Gustang: High 6-B+ (Should be directly scale to 469 Teratons)

That is, almost nothing in their profiles will not change anyway, only the description and AP will change
 
Okay so, a few notable things! (Spoilers for Fastpass stuff!)

In the recent Blogpost for S3 Ch75 (aka Yama Gets Humiliated By Yasratcha, Part 2, SIU says this-
Yama and Yasracha are fighting viciously hehe. Yasracha is one of the most well balanced fighters among all the characters we've seen until now. If you only look at 1 to 1 dueling, Kallavan may have the advantage, but actually on the battlefield, well... This is not made any easier because Yama, as we see in the work, isn't able to use his strengths against him and in fact receives a debuff.

There's some skill differences too, but it seems that Yasracha knows a lot about the Canine race, so this seems to be a poor match up for Yama's side.
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Any thoughts on this?
 
You know in Dragonball Z Abridged where Krillin's always getting nagged because he doesn't use the single most broken, power level-defying combo of [Solar Flare + Kienzan]?

That's literally what [Reverse Flow Control + Piercing Technique] is; a stunning attack that largely ignores AP, and a sharp attack that largely ignores durability.
(And it's also how Bam beat both R and Pan; more evidence that SIU reads VsBattleWiki)
 
Arceus0x said:
We need more profiles.
Sachi faker would be nice.
Maybe more regulars.
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Yeah, the profiles have a bit of High Tier bias (partially due to the fact that the story is introducing more High Rankers than it is Regulars, so it's not entirely our fault), here's my list of Regular profiles that'd be nice imo

Sachi Faker- (Scales to [At least 300 Kilotons] on account of restraining an octopus that broke through Khun's Lighthouse Barrier in one shot; is a Top 3 D-Rank Regular although on a lower level than Kaiser; Arie Inieta thought he'd be a good fight)

Boro- (Bc the fact that Boro has Resistance to Law Manipulation is hilarious; also if Sachi is here then Boro's gotta be here too. Scales to 68 Kilotons on account of being comparable to Train City Arc Rak)

Aka Williams- (And if Boro and Sachi are here, then the old gang needs to be complete with Aka Williams. Albelda is mentioned in Hoaqin's profile so Roen's here too technically. According to the Blogpost for S2 Ch 141- "Aka may look somewhat underpowered but in a personal 1 vs 1 fight, Aka is stronger than Beta or Ran. At least, in theory", putting him at around 136 Kilotons, or Train City Redan Ran, given the asterisk next to SIU's statement.)

(If you can't tell I'm influenced by this post- it's a pretty great read)
Arceus0x said:
Btw didn't we all like the idea of s1 profiles?
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I'm kinda on the fence about it given how jarring the Building level AP and Subsonic+ speed looks like compared to the Part 2 feats, especially considering that it was only 6 years of difference between the two parts so the S1 Folk getting thousands of times stronger and a thousand times faster while climbing floors that are likely easy for them doesn't really sit right.

Also there's the fact that we'd have to basically make new profiles for every Season One variant of the character since they only have a fraction of their S2 skills due to learning shinsu.
 
Honestly, I think it's good to do Regular profiles, I think it gives a diversity to the Verse

I think the only character that would need a profile for Season One version is Baam, you know the reasons why of this, too much powers and resistance, also the others characters don't have much powers and resistances on profiles so I think we can add the keys for Season One to everyone less Baam, who would need a profile for himself
 
Ah, this reminds me actually- Khun's abilities need to be separated in a way that's more see-able- I legitimately thought they weren't separated until I looked it over again. Maybe use tabbers?

Also, teleportation was listed twice in the first section

Additionally I fixed the scaling for FoD and Early HF Base Bam
 
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Hey, would it be necessary to give Teleportation to Baylord Paul via Myans or don't give it to him since they were from Khel Hellam and Paul just borrowed them for a while during the Cage Arc?
 
Akainu: [Gets downgraded from 26.6 Teratons to Baseline Country level]
The One Escanor: [Gets downgraded from 21.6 Teratons to Island level]

Evankhell: [At 24.7 Teratons] (chuckles) "I'm in danger."
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
By the way, what is the chain scaling of all characters who scale to the 1.2 Megatons calc?
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Here's the current list-

FoD Bam w/ Thorn: (Did the feat)
FoD Endorsi: (Likely- In general always comparable to Bam w/ Thorn before he became OP)

Early HF Bam w/ Thorn: (At least- became stronger after the Red Thyrssa went inside him)
Early HF Endorsi: (At least- comparable to Bam w/ Thorn)
Data Hansung: (Endorsi stated that she was on a seperate level as him and Khun, although that might have been ego. Should be Superior to Kaiser, comparable to Bam w/ Thorn)

Post Training Endorsi: (At the very least- stronger than before)
3 Siblings Absorbed Hoaqin: (At the very least- comparable to Post Training Endorsi)

Power of Souls Bam: (Absolute minimum- Curb stomped Post 3 Siblings Hoaqin)

In other words,
FoD Bam w/ Thorn =~= FoD Endorsi < Early HF Bam w/ Thorn = Early HF Endorsi = Data Hansung < Post Training Endorsi = 3 Siblings Absorbed Hoaqin < Power of Souls Bam
 
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How ironic, the strongest version of Baam before training with Eduan was when he was using the Power of Souls, but after training with Eduan, just his Base form was enough to casually defeat anything he fought before (obviously, I'm excluding Urek, Love, Hell Joe and any ranker level person)
 
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