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I know, it was just something that I needed to talk about, it was a kind of thing I realized during my re-reading of season three and some arcs of the season two and this was the perfect moment to make a comment about
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Yo didn't someone have a calc of jahad tower getting oofed?
Yeah it does have dura negation to some extent- bc it nullifies shinsoo thus bypassing the shinsoo boost for durability.By the way, I realized one thing after re-reading all the Shinwonryu-related chapters, doesn't that kind of negate the durability to some extent? With dura negation properties that are even superior to the Piercing Techniques? Since Base Baam was able to deal comparable damage to Gado when they both managed to make Yama half-wake up, although Gado did this through sheer AP and Base Baam is nothing in comparison to Gado in this category. Also, when he used Shinwonryu on a restrained EoB Kallavan, the latter reacted to not let Base Baam use it on him, implying it could harm him, despite tanking two very powerful consecutives Piercing Techniques (dura negation power) from Karaka with any sign of internal damage that it should usually causes shortly after this happened, and when Baam enters True Self Mode and attacks Kallavan along with Karaka, they could only do a small cut on Kallavan because of Stardust, which is mainly the combination of Orb and Shinwonryu, ther latter which demonstrated dura negation capacities
What I'm trying to say is that Shinwonryu has dura negation powers, and I think we should likely add that to the description of his Limited Drability Negation, which also means S3 TSM overall should be just At least Low 6-B (superior 1.2 Teratons) via being stronger than S3 Karaka, and Last Station Arc Full Power Baam with Stardust's description of harming Kallavan should be removed, since this technique has dura negation properties, as it was showcased previously
What do you guys think?
let's wait and see. I feel like we are scaling too fast.
Let's wait for more feats in this arc and for more powers.
If we do that we can change everything we need in one fell swoop.
I mean, considering how Bam's base AP has gotten significantly boosted after using the PoS, he'll probably need a separate key, in other words it's fine to discuss to the scaling about S3 Bam pre-using PoS.Like i said, let's wait and see.
That's trueI mean, I still think Sharon should scale to 5 Teratons, she didn't fight Post-Clone White right after he used the White Magnolia, she fought him after he was captured, put in High Rankers prison and so on, having rested long enough to recover his energy, furthermore, we had no indication that he was still out of energy after his triumphant return with Karaka to the battlefield as when he used White Magnolia, if he really had run out of stamina, he wouldn't have used his Incinerating Shooting Star, he at that point know well his own limits of using his techniques after using the attack that made him faint, besides, in ToG, every time a character is running out of energy or reaching their limits of stamina, we usually have an internal monologue of them talking about it, and White is the character who does it the most besides Baam, and he hasn't shown that kind of thinking against Sharon
Okay yeah actually- that's a good point with the comparisons to Green April Yuri and Post Clone White- lemme change it back to what it was beforehandAlso, I don't see why Sharon scaling to 5 Teratons is weird, she through her own feats turned out to be this strong and just because most of the Division Commanders turned out to be around Base Yuri's level, that doesn't mean it applies to all of them, moreover, she is the 1st Division Commander, and considering the hierarchy that Zahard's army makes, and although it's based on the soldiers' family influence has impact on their position on the Zahard's Army, the other higher positions such as the Division Commanders, Vice Squadron Commanders and the Squadron Commanders seem to be based on power far more than anything else, meaning she's likely to be the strongest of the 4th Army Corp after Kallavan and Elpathion, also, she performed well against a suppressed Evankhell, who is comparable to a casual restrained Kallavan, and we know Green April Igniton Yuri and Post-Clone White performance against him, and overall, these three showncased very similar performance against Evankhell and Kallavan
But does Shinwonryu, if used or hit directly on his opponent, does he not only deny the durability as a whole? Since I don't think it just nullifies shinsoo boost and then it affects the durability, as you know it harmed a sleeping Base Yama, who wasn't using shinsoo at the time, despite people whose AP are High 6-C and Low 6-B have difficulty doing the same through sheer powerYeah it does have dura negation to some extent- bc it nullifies shinsoo thus bypassing the shinsoo boost for durability.
1. While Yama wasn't using a shinsoo boost, the shinwonryu also messes with the shinsoo in the air/general area, 2. It did not harm sleeping Base Yama; it didn't even damage his clothing (somehow), although it did disturb him enough to cause him to partially wake up, which is still impressive since it means Yama actually felt it, but that's not enough for outright total durability negationBut does Shinwonryu, if used or hit directly on his opponent, does he not only deny the durability as a whole? Since I don't think it just nullifies shinsoo boost and then it affects the durability, as you know it harmed a sleeping Base Yama, who wasn't using shinsoo at the time, despite people whose AP are High 6-C and Low 6-B have difficulty doing the same through sheer power
Oh goodness this reminds me-You know what is funny? If the Extreme Blue Oar calc is accepted, it means S2 TSM Baam is stronger than the combined might of 7 average Rankers
NopeDid someone just try to make Phantaminum 1-A?
Yes someone tried to do it, they put unkown, possibly 1A or something like that lmaoNope
@ElajRuengies
Wait, why S3 TSM Baam with 2nd Thorn will scale to 5 Teratons? The other characters like Weakened/Current Base Doom and Elpathion, I understand the logic behind them escalating to it, but can you explain that about Baam?
Having it just be 66.9 Megatons was kinda the point of my last post- proving that the lower end for Base Data Maschenny (and by extension Post Revolution Base S2 Baam) based on the Storm Creation lower end doesn't hold, so it should just be the 66.9 MegatonsI kinda agree with this scaling of Base Data Maschenny and Base Post-Revolution/Last Station Arc Baam, but I wonder if the high-end AP of 66.9 Megatons will remain unchanged.
Going by Partially Transformed Paul and Elpathion; that sounds about right (the code word being [Serious])I just want to confirm, the characters who scale to 7 Teratons, are this strong because they can fight against serious characters who scale to 16.1 Teratons and 24.7 Teratons without being instantly one-shot by them and could somewhat fight them, but are weak enough to be defeat after a while?
I was talking about the characters who scale to 16.1 Teratons and 24.7 Teratons seriously fighting and not holding back(the code word being [Serious])
I think that would go to Top 50 HRs like Arie Hagiperione Zahard whose Rank 36 (Or the hypothetical "Full Release" of Ancient Power Evankhell/Khel Hellam for 6-B+); Top Non-Irregular level / folk like Luslec & Enne & Adori are probably a little ways into High 6-B, given how-Looking at the overall scaling of ToG, I think it just remains to know how strong Luslec, Adori and Enne level characters are, I think their AP will be 6-B+ or High 6-B baseline
The Everest Tier List is right here!@ElajRuengies
Could you leave the link to these Tier Lists? I would like to see them (I have a great feeling that the Princess wank you mentioned is strongly related to Maschenny)
Fair- I would like to hear them as wellOverall, I don't have a problem with this scaling, but I think it's better to wait for others' opinions.
So, Yuri would look like-Also, I wanted to point out that Yuri's Kranos Ignition should have a separate Tier and should scale to 5 Teratons, since it was powerful enough to destroy Karaka's right arm and of course, we should add in the weaknesses section the limit of Kranos usage is just one shoot per day.
Uhhhh, they don't? [Looks back at text]Also, why exactly do people like Dorian Frog and Base Paul scale to 1.5 Teratons? I'm not against it, but I would like to know the reasoning behind it
Ah, what I meant was normally in order to Upscale/Backscale, the stat has to be within a factor of 1.5 to the next/bottom of the Tier"The Backscaling for entry level High Rankers (1 Teraton) is now a factor of 2.5 instead of 1.2- is that okay?"
- I mean, maybe? Backscaling/Upscaling's rule of thumb is 1.5, but it's also a case by case basis thing. (Plus, if Staff hasn't had a problem with me flagrantly misusing the suffixes of statistics for dividing tiers, then this should be fine)
There's also a cleaned up version of the current picture being used that doesn't cut off her hair bit and other stuff@ElajRuengies
Honestly, I like the second image, I think it would be a better image than the one we have now, if you want to change, feel free
Yeah, so would I- that was the closest thing to a full body shot there this that isn't zoomed back with Yuri under detailedAnd preferably, I would like an image of Possessed Yuri with her full body
NO. that's just law manip vs law manip and the stronger one is the best. that's itAlso shouldn't Arie sword users get Resistance to Limited Law Manipulation? They are able to block the slashes of each other, as it was happened during the fight between Vicente and Weakened Hoaqin
Aight gimme a sec/minute/day@ElajRuengies
Honestly, since no one else has commented on the Rose Shower, I think the scaling you proposed can be applied
What IN4U said ^Also shouldn't Arie sword users get Resistance to Limited Law Manipulation? They are able to block the slashes of each other, as it was happened during the fight between Vicente and Weakened Hoaqin