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Touma vs Giorno (rematch)

Aminadab_Brulle said:
IB is passive. If something tries to affect him and gets into contact with right hand, it's getting nulled. This is why he negates his own luck. And supposedly also red string of fate.
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on the profile it isn't treated as passive. also no, if he need contact with right hand then it's not a passive..

also why you are taking this argument? he can't touch ger
 
RTZ cant affect Touma because of powernull, not resistance. People get this misconception that Touma only nulls stuff with his right hand, but depending on the how the opponents powers works IB passively negates the ability. In GER's case, it affects Touma's whole body so it gets passively negated.
 
manu_zarri said:
on the profile it isn't treated as passive. also no, if he need contact with right hand then it's not a passive..

also why you are taking this argument? he can't touch ger
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...? No, it says quite literally "passively resists some spells". And it was clarified in this topic what exactly that means.
Meaning, life hax, that tries to make the entire body older at once, does nothing. As the whole body includes right hand with IB in it. Thus instanull.
Resistances to hax are not listed in his profile, because Touma doesn't resist them per se.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
RTZ cant affect Touma because of powernull, not resistance. People get this misconception that Touma only nulls stuff with his right hand, but depending on the how the opponents powers works IB passively negates the ability. In GER's case, it affects Touma's whole body so it gets passively negated.
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make sense
Aminadab_Brulle said:
...? No, it says quite literally "passively resists some spells". And it was clarified in this topic what exactly that means.
Meaning, life hax, that tries to make the entire body older at once, does nothing. As the whole body includes right hand with IB in it. Thus instanull.
Resistances to hax are not listed in his profile, because Touma doesn't resist them per se.
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i tried to shearch in the profile and i didn't founded it.

also he can't affect ger punch. btw at this point ger just need launch a scorpion or a racoon idk, he have much other hax
 
I wanna ask, can Touma really negate stands? Because Stands are the user's life energy as shown in JoJo, heck even the Power Null page supports that.
 
manu_zarri said:
i tried to shearch in the profile and i didn't founded it.
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Ctrl+F "passive", 4 results.

manu_zarri said:
also he can't affect ger punch.
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He can. Just like punches from golem Ellis.

manu_zarri said:
btw at this point ger just need launch a scorpion or a racoon idk, he have much other hax
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Transmutation gets nulled.

Cloozuma said:
I wanna ask, can Touma really negate stands? Because Stands are the user's life energy as shown in JoJo, heck even the Power Null page supports that.
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So is mana in Toaru. Which Touma negates every other volume.
 
manu_zarri said:
He dosen't have non-physical intraction
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Because he doesn't have them. Imagine Breaker can nullify intangible things though - and I've given examples for that in post #23.

manu_zarri said:
???? i mean for attack reflection, or poison or stuff
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Attack reflection does no more than Accel's reflection (as in, it doesn't register the hit from Imagine Breaker). Poison can spread until it hits right hand through bloodstream, upon which it gets entirely erased (or until he taps himself).

Cloozuma said:
I'm not really sure, but mana ≠ life energy.
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Well, mana is life energy modified for usage outside of keeping the body alive. As GT2 shows, IB starts to negate as soon as it moves incorrectly. And you cannot move it any more incorrectly than making it stand by you.

Asriel77 said:
hmmm? no stand users have the same durability as their stands
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Giorno is listed with 9-C for himself and 8-C by shielding himself with the Stand.

Asriel77 said:
ok but what are the verdicts for giorno winning?
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Connect a punch from GE. Supernatural add-ons still do nothing, but sheer force rips Touma apart if he doesn't block it with IB.
 
Aminadab_Brulle said:
Attack reflection does no more than Accel's reflection (as in, it doesn't register the hit from Imagine Breaker). Poison can spread until it hits right hand through bloodstream, upon which it gets entirely erased (or until he taps himself).
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i checked and he dosen't resist to attack reflection in the first key
 
Why is this even still going?

It was explained within the first few messages Touma stomps via 1-C null. GG. That's it. End of debate.
 
Bernkastelll said:
That's not bias, its literally High 1-C power null vs 4-D and 3-D hax
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11D* power null

and with that? you know how much weakness have this power? already the fact that he isn't 11D make things equal, add the fact the first key dosen't have much hax and resistance. and Giorno have wincons with AP and Attack Reflection
 
LMAO "Bias of tier"

Bro what the ****? It's 11D power null. GER and Giorno get nulled because his ability his a supernatural 4D power. End. of. Story.
 
Phoenks said:
LMAO "Bias of tier"

Bro what the ****? It's 11D power null. GER and Giorno get nulled because his ability his a supernatural 4D power. End. of. Story.
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you did it again.

his power null can be actived only with his right hand, if he touch someone with it, then it will get nulled (and Everything also said it get errased). or influencing the entire body will get nulled. GER AP stomp. because the dude is physically 9-C, and RtZ isn't his first move.
 
manu_zarri said:
you did it again.

his power null can be actived only with his right hand, if he touch someone with it, then it will get nulled (and Everything also said it get errased). or influencing the entire body will get nulled. GER AP stomp. because the dude is physically 9-C, and RtZ isn't his first move.
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RtZ was literally the first thing that GER did, how that it isnt his first move?
 
that was only because diavolo used time erase, he used it simply because it was for that specific and reasonable situation. i dont think ger would need to use rtz against an opponent like this as a first option, id say muda muda would be his first line of offense her
 
Aminadab_Brulle said:
Well, mana is life energy modified for usage outside of keeping the body alive. As GT2 shows, IB starts to negate as soon as it moves incorrectly. And you cannot move it any more incorrectly than making it stand by you.
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Actually Mana is just modified life energy, not life energy itself. Stands are the reflection of one's life energy, and the power null page states this:

While useful against magic users, this ability cannot nullify non-magical supernatural abilities, such as those based on chi.

Apparently Stands fall onto that category.
 
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