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Isn't Touma baseline 9-C? Or higher?
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Touma vs Giorno (rematch)
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This really doesn't matter, as just like before Touma's win condition is to use Imagine Breaker to null GER, and thus deal with Giorno as his Soul ghost would have been erased (which would deal major damage to him because the damage of the Stands is reflected on their users). Durability is unnecessary.
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Uhhh can't like stands get resummoned or so?
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The 6th sense deals with that, and even if stands can be resummoned, it ain't coming back from a high 1-C attack
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Hmm apparently this is speed equal so it's fair enough, if it's not Gio speedblitzs.
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but not reacted to incorporeal, tho
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Since when are peak humans baseline?
Erm, no? It's literally user's soul. Also, IB won't destroy/banish it per se, merely forcefully reshape it to "baseline" by its own standards.
Kinetic energy of projectiles propelled directly by supernatural power gets nulled. See Touma stopping Railgun shot, Ellis or Acqua's final mace swing.
Makes zero difference. "Precog" cares only whether or not something is supernatural, and even if not, it still works, just much worse.
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so you are saying that everything is supernatural will get precognied? even if he don't have feats of a certain hax?
isn't that a Bit NLF?
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As long as we look at Touma from British Halloween onwards, yes, anything supernatural (for Imagine Breaker) gets precogged. Which doesn't necessarily mean he is going to block it. If something spawns in a place he cannot put his right hand in advance (inside of the body, for example), he still gets hit. If multiple projectiles without a pattern fly at him, he can only block them one at the time. And his reaction time so far caps at FTL+.
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huh.
So, how he is going to null and errase return to zero?
Speed Equalized, and it is a great advantage for him, being that ger is high in MFTL and is possibly higher, also infinite with rtz,
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It affects the whole body at once, so it fails straight up, just like attempts to teleport him.
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still need to touch ger. return to zero is though based, and even if it isn't, he literally did this, that make impossible for Touma to touch him
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Yeah, he did this. To somebody who is not immune to body-wide supernatural effects. Yes, returning to zero doesn't require physically touching the target, so attempting this doesn't mean Touma can just put the right hand up and win. Still, RtZ doesn't do anything to Touma, including stopping and reversing him back to the previous position. So, if GioGio tries this, he's going to get punched. And that's if he doesn't try to block the attack with GER, as that is death sentence for reasons I've mentioned in post #15.
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explain why. touma dosen't have 4D causality resistance.
Let alone the fact that Ger AP Stomp, he still have much hax that ignore durability, that can use them in character
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Because he resisted Othinus retroactively remaking the universe billions of times? And this gal is 11D in hax.
None of which really bypasses IB, unless I'm missing something.
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and that's not causality resistance.
man, how he can touch age hax?
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i guess, but he need to touch them
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After being destroyed? No, the Stand user is affected by the same thing that affected the Stand, The World got destroyed by Star Platinum, so, DIO also exploded, I def don't want to be Giorno if GER will be nullified by IB
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He resisted High 1-C fate/probability hax
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Causality Manip is just Fate/Probability manipulation but on Steroids, and Touma resisted these, but on High 1-C lvl, and Othinus powers also are Causality Manipulation, its writen on her Notable Attacks
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Provided scan shows this hax is body-wide.
Flow of time - he resisted White Player and Red Player shenanigans in Index PSP. Also, the thing looking like time stop from Othinus.
Probability - Othinus and "always defeats humans" Gungnir thing. Also, Tyr's field in Kamachi 10th anniversary crossover.
Casuality - Othinus overwritten the world to remove everything. Retroactively. Which means removing the reason for Touma to exist (i.e. his parents). Guess if he survived.
In short, every hax that's supernatural for IB can get nulled, no matter what it does.
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Causality isn't like fate or probability, fate change an even in future, causality change the cause and effect, and probability change a probability
also, the resistance isn't on the Touma profile. you know how it works here
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You want me to show you the scan or what?
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Causality is exactly Fate/Proability but on Steroids, and Fate doesnt only change the future, Causality is prety much Fate and Probability, anyways, Touma can null High 1-C things, is NLF to say that GER would bypass it
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I meant scan that is in his profile.
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Desummoning the stand wouldnt work
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Also forgot to add this
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Stand users are still human.
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Please, don't use your own though for debate.
there is no Resistance to Causality. end of discussion about the stuff.
also Nulling 1-C things dosen't mean nothing, if the dude is still 3D physically and no one implied that ger would bypass it. Touma can't touch rtz.
Age Manipulation (By injecting life into living things he can force them to grow until they exhaust their life spans
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Thats not my own tought, and why are u still using 3-D bogo against someone who can null High 1-C hax
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that's it, in the wiki there is a huge difference between those 3 hax.
I will repeat another time, as it is not written in the profile, the information cannot be used.
and just because there is Writed "High 1-C" dosen't mean nothing. also ye he is 3D, and can get affected by rtz.
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I mean, Giorno has a chance to figure out powernull, and can overcome Touma in one hit if he is willing to risk letting Stand out after getting in CQC (as lack of space in close quarters after the distance is closed is always a problem for Touma) - how much it is in character, I don't know. I don't think punching Giorno will null the stand.
Again, retroactive overwriting the universe that deleted everything and everybody, his parents included. Touma survived intacted.
And this scan shows that tree grows old equally all over the body, even when Stand touches a specific part. Meaning, it's going to try to affect the right hand and that means instanull.
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Bruh just read the causality page, Causality basically is proability+/or fate hax together
Ye and Touma nulls it easily
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possibles uses is another things, it's like types.
with right hand, and he can't touch rtz (and neither ger)
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RTZ can't affect Touma
