Touma tries to pet a slime

[XDragnoir]

Touma didn't have his precog back in OT3, and if he stopped one of them mid air, this one would fall above him and he wouldn't be able to dodge/null the others properly.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Normal rock = natural state

X (Supernatural stuff) interacts with the rock = Nullifiable

X drops the rock = Rock in its natural state

Normal sunlight = Natural state

Sunlight interacting with the magic droplets and lethal = nullifiable

Sunlight stops being interacted with the droplets = natural state

 

[GLHF22]

Thats literally what's Rimuru did, the droplet evaporates after interacts with the sunlight die to sheer heat

 

[GLHF22]

So, not imbued with magic and no longer interacts with magic.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Yea that's just supporting what I said. I mean, what exactly would imagine breaker even "cancel" there?

 

[JBennett]

Does Rimuru control when the beams of light are being fired when the droplets are present? if so then he is infact manipulating the light, even if only a little, making it negatable. If all he does is manipulate the droplets then there will always be beams of light when ever he manifest the droplets.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Rimuru at no point directly affects the sunlight. The only "magical" aspect is the creation of the lenses which themselves don't do anything magical either. The sunlight itself just goes through the usual physical process of being redirected by lenses.

If Touma could somehow still negate that, then he should have also been able to negate the wind that Accel produced when he made the plasma. But evidently, he couldn't.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Redirected by magical lenses

Thats nullifiable, especially if the light becomes lethal during the whole proccess

 

[JBennett]

That's not my question, has he shown to control when the beams are fired?

 

[NeoSuperior]

You still didn't explain "what" exactly would be nullified there. Also it's not magical lenses it's magically-made normal lenses.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

You still didn't explain "what" exactly would be nullified there.

The light would return to its non-lethal state

 

[NeoSuperior]

That's not my question, has he shown to control when the beams are fired?

I don't understand your question. The beams are just regular sunlight hitting the lenses.

 

[NeoSuperior]

The light would return to its non-lethal state

Imagine Breaker is lethality-sensitive? When was such an ability ever mentioned? Though I guess I only read up until NT2 + isolated parts of NT10.

Also it's not a "different state", just a different location. Imagine breaker would have to be able to redirect physical sunlight.

I still find it dubious. Why did imagine breaker not negate the wind that had almost killed Touma that had been created via Accelerator's supernatural powers, if IB really had such a trait?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Negating Accel's wind

What scene are you referring to?

 

[NeoSuperior]

The one from the sisters arc fight.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He was all hurt and could barely move. In fact, he lost counsciouness

Besides, the wind was way out of his reach, and coming from numerous directions

 

[XDragnoir]

PIS? Nothing like that has happened since that fight iirc.

 

[NeoSuperior]

It's not PIS. After all IB is a passive ability that doesn't need to be activated. The wind was all around him and if he is supposed to be able to negate such an indirect attack that knocked him out for a bit, then the wind should have been cancelled at least (even if it'd probably start over right after) but even that much didn't happen.

So what exactly is the basis for this "can negate a lethal attack" claim? The lenseses are not affecting the sunlight anymore than a person who drops a rock after jumping into the air with it using supernatural means.

 

[XDragnoir]

This fight happened in 2004, things have been added/"retconned" a lot since that, also, a 9C with good powernull vs a 5B, this fight is just full of PIS, Accel could win with a random building. Btw, the first time someone launched a building in Touma was in GT1, 16 years after the start of the series.

 

[XDragnoir]

This fight happened in 2004, things have been added/"retconned" a lot since that, also, a 9C with good powernull vs a 5B, this fight is just full of PIS, Accel could win with a random building. Btw, the first time someone launched a building in Touma was in GT1, 16 years after the start of the series.

 

[Elizhaa]

2004; the LN is old the

 

[GLHF22]

So if Accel use His vector to shape a rock to become somehow more Sharp like Blade when Touma touch it, it will return to its original shape? Interesting.

 

[GLHF22]

What about statue? Accel carve a rock to create a statue with His vector and when Touma touch it, it Will return to rock?

 

[JBennett]

I don't feel like explaining but no to both.

 

[Eganergo]

Iirc Touma can erase a car that was teleported to him though.

 

[GLHF22]

Iirc Touma can erase a car that was teleported to him though.

He cancel the teleportation.

Okay so what if you cut your arm with a magical weapon, can Touma negate it and the arm Will be back?

Thats just one of example

The same case as rock,light or anything if they change their shape because of supernatural phenomenon something like split into two because of magical blade, explosion or paper that burned to dust, can Touma return them?

 

[XDragnoir]

No, the car was already above him. It was in his fight with Aureolus

 

[Eganergo]

He will erase them, not return. Anything that already associated with supernatural will be erased.

 

[GLHF22]

So why His memories not back after being erased?

 

[GLHF22]

He will erase them, not return. Anything that already associated with supernatural will be erased.

So if a magical Nuke a city,then the city is destroyed and Touma touch, the city Will be gone?

 

[GLHF22]

Or perhaps the earth gone? Because city is part of the earth.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ok, now you are just trolling it seems

 

[Eganergo]

Yes, everything that is 'directly' affected by magic will be erased. Although if it is merely a 'blanket-like' magic that enveloped the city, the blanket itself will be erased rather than the city.

 

[GLHF22]

Well, because you spouting nonsense, there is no way Touma can erase thing just because it change its shape from a magical attack, example, Touma's wound not gone even though the thing that hurt him is a supernatural power, see, i hope you can explain something.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

You are either grasping at false equivalencies or just a huge misunderstand by your part

Anything supernatural = erased

Anything natural = not erased

Anything natural being controlled by the supernatural = The supernatural effect is lost only

 

[XDragnoir]

IB can erase an entire phase shift, actually, which is the world being rewrited as a new thing, with new laws.

 

[Eganergo]

I said, touma erases not returns. IB just use the original world as a point what is supernatural and what is not.

 

[GLHF22]

You are either grasping at false equivalencies or just a huge misunderstand by your part

Anything supernatural = erased

Anything natural = not erased

Anything natural being controlled by the supernatural = The supernatural effect is lost only

Thats what's iam talking about, the light change to lethal not because it imbued with a magical power, because the light become more contracted after passing through the lens, it basically just a natural phenomenon when light become more pointed.

And you keep talking like, "The light will return to non lethal state" then why a rock cannot return after being split by a magical blade? Thats not false equivalent, they change their shape because of supernatural phenomenon but they remains natural.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Then why a rock cannot return by being split by a magical blade

Because the destruction is already done

The sunlight is being constantly changed by the magic droplets, which is susceptible to the null

>They change their shape because of supernatural phenomenon

And IB just nulls that effect, which will turn it into the natural shape, just like he does with Mikoto's iron sand

 

[GLHF22]

Dude, you know when you use magnifying glasses to make a light become more pointed? Because Rimuru don't have those glasses he change it with water lens, its natural phenomenon and the fact that magic Barrier in slime cannot negate it because its just a natural light they don't change their shape because of magic change their shape.

Look, Rimuru didnt maintain its shape with magic even after the lens is evaporates, because they will return to their original shape naturally.

And no they not constantly changed by droplets not any magic because if thats the case Barrier in slime will negate it and the light Will not pass the Barrier because the Barrier nullified any kind of magicule thats come into contacts.

You can see at the picture i have above, the droplets not and cannot maintain its shape, in fact it evaported in second, the droplet only change their shape by a natural process.