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Big thanks to the people who tried to make these types of threads before (e.g. Doge), as I reuse a lot of their points here.
From the verse page:
This thread aims to settle the confusion and merge the two canons. While some old arguments will be used, there’s also some new arguments here as well, so let’s discuss.
Let’s talk about that “clear sweep” statement first. It comes from the Afterword section of Imperishable Night, where ZUN says that the transition from Mystic Square to Embodiment of Scarlet Devil was a clean sweep, implying that the two continuities aren’t related whatsoever. But immediately after he says that he meant that the PC-98 games were undefined, unlike the Windows games which were a lot more diverse and had a bigger world to show. He then also mentions that none of the characters ever actually disappear either, proving again that the two continuities were never separated.
With that out of the way, let’s bring up some things from 98 that made their appearance in Windows.
Alice Margatroid, a character from 98, appears in Perfect Cherry Blossom. Even though Reimu doesn’t remember her, Alice does, and mentions that the two had some history before. You may say that Reimu not remembering Alice is somehow already proof that PC-98 and Windows are two separate continuities, but keep in mind that Reimu is consistently portrayed in both 98 and Windows as a careless person who often doesn’t care or remember her opponents, especially if she only fought them once or they were fodder, so I think her forgetting who Alice is makes sense in this situation.
Yuuka Kazami, another character from 98, appears in Phantasmagoria of Flower View. Unlike with Alice, Reimu actually remembers Yuuka, and mentions a previous incident that Yuuka caused that Reimu managed to solve by defeating her. This is an obvious reference to Lotus Land Story, another PC-98 game where Yuuka was the culprit of that game. It’s also been mentioned that Reimu defeated Yuuka a few times before as well.
Genji, another 98 cha- you get the point, is mentioned to still be around by ZUN.
One of the last older evidences, is that ZUN mentions that 98 and Windows still take place in the same world, but mentions that Windows is more important to the continuity, due to the previously mentioned fact that 98 was back when the series was still undefined and didn’t have all this worldbuilding and complex characters.
With that, we can move on to some of the newer examples.
In a 2007 interview, ZUN states once again that he wants to make newer characters instead of bringing back old characters like the ones from PC-98, and again confirms that Genji is still around.
In a 2002 FAQ, he says that all the games take place in the same world. Keep in mind that this was back when EoSD was the newest game in the series, so it’d make absolutely no sense to clump in other Windows game as they haven’t even existed during that time.
In the omake for EoSD, Reimu’s profile states that she’s the same age she was in the previous title because they “aren’t that chronologically apart from eachother.”
In Yuuka's SCoOW profile, ZUN states that the characters from the PC-98 games are still around, just that they've retired and prefer to watch all the crazy stuff in Gensokyo unfold.
Lastly, in the most recent interview, which was hosted just last month, ZUN mentions that the old works (PC-98) and Windows aren’t completely different.
How will this affect the profiles?
Obviously, all the reccuring PC-98 characters will no longer have two keys, but this actually give more stuff to the verse as a whole besides that.
The cast would have some extra tier 2 feats to scale to, as Shinki created Makai, which is an otherworld, and the weaker proof for tier 2 PC-98 is Yumemi's 4-D bomb.
Reimu would get additional hax as well, such as the Yin-Yang Orbs making her able to eat sweets without getting fat, the Yin-Yang Orbs being able to transform into a variety of things like a wishgranting fairy, the Yin-Yang Orbs allowing her to change her scent, and so on.
From the verse page:
This thread aims to settle the confusion and merge the two canons. While some old arguments will be used, there’s also some new arguments here as well, so let’s discuss.
Let’s talk about that “clear sweep” statement first. It comes from the Afterword section of Imperishable Night, where ZUN says that the transition from Mystic Square to Embodiment of Scarlet Devil was a clean sweep, implying that the two continuities aren’t related whatsoever. But immediately after he says that he meant that the PC-98 games were undefined, unlike the Windows games which were a lot more diverse and had a bigger world to show. He then also mentions that none of the characters ever actually disappear either, proving again that the two continuities were never separated.
With that out of the way, let’s bring up some things from 98 that made their appearance in Windows.
Alice Margatroid, a character from 98, appears in Perfect Cherry Blossom. Even though Reimu doesn’t remember her, Alice does, and mentions that the two had some history before. You may say that Reimu not remembering Alice is somehow already proof that PC-98 and Windows are two separate continuities, but keep in mind that Reimu is consistently portrayed in both 98 and Windows as a careless person who often doesn’t care or remember her opponents, especially if she only fought them once or they were fodder, so I think her forgetting who Alice is makes sense in this situation.
Yuuka Kazami, another character from 98, appears in Phantasmagoria of Flower View. Unlike with Alice, Reimu actually remembers Yuuka, and mentions a previous incident that Yuuka caused that Reimu managed to solve by defeating her. This is an obvious reference to Lotus Land Story, another PC-98 game where Yuuka was the culprit of that game. It’s also been mentioned that Reimu defeated Yuuka a few times before as well.
Genji, another 98 cha- you get the point, is mentioned to still be around by ZUN.
One of the last older evidences, is that ZUN mentions that 98 and Windows still take place in the same world, but mentions that Windows is more important to the continuity, due to the previously mentioned fact that 98 was back when the series was still undefined and didn’t have all this worldbuilding and complex characters.
With that, we can move on to some of the newer examples.
In a 2007 interview, ZUN states once again that he wants to make newer characters instead of bringing back old characters like the ones from PC-98, and again confirms that Genji is still around.
In a 2002 FAQ, he says that all the games take place in the same world. Keep in mind that this was back when EoSD was the newest game in the series, so it’d make absolutely no sense to clump in other Windows game as they haven’t even existed during that time.
In the omake for EoSD, Reimu’s profile states that she’s the same age she was in the previous title because they “aren’t that chronologically apart from eachother.”
In Yuuka's SCoOW profile, ZUN states that the characters from the PC-98 games are still around, just that they've retired and prefer to watch all the crazy stuff in Gensokyo unfold.
Lastly, in the most recent interview, which was hosted just last month, ZUN mentions that the old works (PC-98) and Windows aren’t completely different.
How will this affect the profiles?
Obviously, all the reccuring PC-98 characters will no longer have two keys, but this actually give more stuff to the verse as a whole besides that.
The cast would have some extra tier 2 feats to scale to, as Shinki created Makai, which is an otherworld, and the weaker proof for tier 2 PC-98 is Yumemi's 4-D bomb.
Reimu would get additional hax as well, such as the Yin-Yang Orbs making her able to eat sweets without getting fat, the Yin-Yang Orbs being able to transform into a variety of things like a wishgranting fairy, the Yin-Yang Orbs allowing her to change her scent, and so on.
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