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Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier 8: New Forum, same rules

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The profile states "Merely viewing the Radiance is enough to fracture the mind, leaving the victim with only animalistic instincts. Affected are also linked into the Radiance's hive mind". The characters on the list would set up mental barriers or kill it before they ever get to looking at it, since the fight starts 4km apart in central park.
Hatou should be removed from 9-B as she has Universal+ Range who is 4D who is smurf
Was discussed before. If you want to remove Hatou you would need to remove every other time traveler and time user as well. Time abilities were considered fair, so Hatou is too.
 
The profile states "Merely viewing the Radiance is enough to fracture the mind, leaving the victim with only animalistic instincts. Affected are also linked into the Radiance's hive mind". The characters on the list would set up mental barriers or kill it before they ever get to looking at it, since the fight starts 4km apart in central park.

Was discussed before. If you want to remove Hatou you would need to remove every other time traveler and time user as well. Time abilities were considered fair, so Hatou is too.
No??? Time ability are the exceptions Universal+ isnt the exception also she has 2-A inmortality so...
 
No??? Time ability are the exceptions Universal+ isnt the exception also she has 2-A inmortality so...
She doesn't have 2-A immortality.

Universal+ by means of time travel is by all means part of the exception. As said, you would need to ban most other time travellers otherwise.
 
The profile states "Merely viewing the Radiance is enough to fracture the mind, leaving the victim with only animalistic instincts. Affected are also linked into the Radiance's hive mind". The characters on the list would set up mental barriers or kill it before they ever get to looking at it, since the fight starts 4km apart in central park.
I think even just knowing about her is enough, a single statue being discovered was enough for her to start corrupting the kingdom
 
I think even just knowing about her is enough, a single statue being discovered was enough for her to start corrupting the kingdom
A statue would still be seeing its appearance, even if not directly.

Also, the characters would, as strange as that sounds, not know about it.

The Aburatori would simply take whichever actions lead to the destiny that makes him win. Meanwhile Toda would have her mental defenses up before she approaches it.
 
The profile states "Merely viewing the Radiance is enough to fracture the mind, leaving the victim with only animalistic instincts. Affected are also linked into the Radiance's hive mind". The characters on the list would set up mental barriers or kill it before they ever get to looking at it, since the fight starts 4km apart in central park.
people's sight can literally reach far beyond 4KM easily, 20KM is the normal average for how far you can see away, they start facing each other so they get insta gibbed
 
people's sight can literally reach far beyond 4KM easily, 20KM is the normal average for how far you can see away, they start facing each other so they get insta gibbed
Trees. Central Park has trees.
 
Passive eye based hax has been used in many matches tho,and characters like GK and Yhwach take spot because of that,idk why can we assume some random trees will appear out of nowhere between the fight
 
You say that while on the list there are people who literally have the same shtick as radiance with the passive mind and madness
Passive eye based hax has been used in many matches tho,and characters like GK and Yhwach take spot because of that,idk why can we assume some random trees will appear out of nowhere between the fight
We don't assume that they appear, by SBA the fight take place in Central Park and Central Park always has trees. Perhaps in other matches the range was smaller or the characters had super senses that allowed them to see through the trees. Or they won because the mind hax happened once they approached. Or it simply is an aspect of the fight that wasn't considered. I don't know, but fact is that the fights don't happen on a perfectly flat plane.

what potency mind hax has toda's barrier prevented anyways
Concept-manipulation based barrier. You won't get through without mind hax that can overcome concept manip.
 
Central Park still has empty space for a fight normally ,tbh I have never seen anyone use "tree" as a major factor in any match before at all, not to mention they must aware of the radiance's existence unless you want to say that both will fight against each other when they don't even know who is enemy in the first place

Also SBA means no one will know power of the radiance so you can't assume that setting up mental barriers to block the radiance's hax is the first move
 
Central Park still has empty space for a fight normally ,tbh I have never seen anyone use "tree" as a major factor in any match before at all, not to mention they must aware of the radiance's existence unless you want to say that both will fight against each other when they don't even know who is enemy in the first place

Also SBA means no one will know power of the radiance so you can't assume that setting up mental barriers to block the radiance's hax is the first move
Central Park has empty space a few meters across. Central Park doesn't have an empty space 4km big, because... the entire central park is 4km big.

According to SBA the fighters "get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either." So that solves your second point.

"There is no mutual understanding" happens to be one of the concepts which she uses first and that does in fact cancel mind attacks. As her other starting moves make no sense on this range that's what she would be going for. Given the range I suspect she would even have time for some more moves, too.
I think Toda's reactive evolution could also take care of the mind attack, but let's not get into that if not necessary.
 
But this is the condition for the radiance's insta mind ****
Read the exact thing I quoted from the SBA again. Madness Type 3 and the likes don't trigger for this:
Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either.
The knowledge is only for the sake that a battle can happen at all, it does not serve as an attack or start of battle or anything. Hence that rule.
 
If they already have the knowledge that corrupts them and it doesn't corrupt them would the moth's corruption even work I mean every other version of madness hax type 3 is that looking at them is the problem but here knowing about it is.
 
If they already have the knowledge that corrupts them and it doesn't corrupt them would the moth's corruption even work I mean every other version of madness hax type 3 is that looking at them is the problem but here knowing about it is.
Not sure I follow, but if they see it again the madness hax would activate properly. The entire knowledge thing is intended to make sure that a fight can happen (as otherwise, they wouldn't know who to attack). It isn't supposed to influence the battle in any other way.
Question how does Hatou Manabu beat the characters from What a Beautiful Series she can't touch them best she can do is incon if she doesn't **** herself with memory manipulation.
I think we had a debate about that when we placed her there. I don't quite remember the details, though. Might need to look it up.
I guess, given their lack of acausality, she might make it so that they were never created? They're not abstracts of something universally present like time, after all. Memory manip doesn't work due to the nature of her infinite hive mind in any case.

Speaking of that spot, though, why's Slappy there?
 
Let's see type 4 protects him from number 4 and he just out classes number 5 in ways to win.
 
Let's see type 4 protects him from number 4 and he just out classes number 5 in ways to win.
Slappy's type 4 doesn't sound like a type 4 that would protect against time paradoxes or destiny manipulation at all, which is probably also the reason he doesn't have type 1. Honestly, whether existing in a different form of time, that can run faster or slower than normal time, qualifies for acausality at all is questionable...

And it outclasses a type 1 concept manipulator in ways to win? Toda can make flames that burn anything, reverse the effects of the opponent's abilities, simply win by deciding she does, mind hax etc. and all that via conceptual powers. Not to mention that she has freezing potent enough to freeze even concepts.
 
Slappy's type 4 doesn't sound like a type 4 that would protect against time paradoxes or destiny manipulation at all, which is probably also the reason he doesn't have type 1. Honestly, whether existing in a different form of time, that can run faster or slower than normal time, qualifies for acausality at all is questionable...
In that case probably madness, mid godly, and other decent hax but without the a
And it outclasses a type 1 concept manipulator in ways to win? Toda can make flames that burn anything, reverse the effects of the opponent's abilities, simply win by deciding she does, mind hax etc. and all that via conceptual powers. Not to mention that she has freezing potent enough to freeze even concepts.
Her concepts are her basically layering reality with the laws of different dimensions which normally gives greater range then several dozen meters but for some reason doesn't here so he out ranges and most of his hax aren't resisted but I guess you can remove him.
 
Ainz Ooal Gown for the third spot in 9A. He beats spots 3, 4 and 5 due to higher range and time stop + death/soul/spatial manipulation on top of his regen negation and resistance negation. He also has vastly superior durability and resistance to power nullification, existence erasure, soul manipulation, mind manipulation, spatial manipulation and reality warping.
That reminds me, Ard is 9-A now, he beats #5, probably #4 too if not for their incorporeality.
He beats Ainz as well.
Bumping these
 
The knowledge is only for the sake that a battle can happen at all, it does not serve as an attack or start of battle or anything. Hence that rule.
But that is power of him...If knowing Radiance won't trigger madness hax then that means the rule completely erases his power?lol,or can you tell me how his ability even works in this case?

I have seen some matches of him and he can always start with it and no one have any problem..and somehow the same way doesn't happen here

Edit:I mean she and her since the radiance is female
 
Decade All 21 for 2-C ton of resistances, broken type 8, tons of haxes and so on.

He also have concept manip to interact with the void and he himself scale far above 20 universes
 
Decade All 21 for 2-C ton of resistances, broken type 8, tons of haxes and so on.

He also have concept manip to interact with the void and he himself scale far above 20 universes
isnt getting past 3rd since nep2 + type 1 concept hax, with TDM just existing and stomping and Nameless saying no him in general
 
isnt getting past 3rd since nep2 + type 1 concept hax, with TDM just existing and stomping and Nameless saying no him in general
More than fine with that. Already know how many layered of resistance Anima have and people above him, should be above the Outsider though since he kinda resist all of his abilities and then do a conceptual erasure on him.
 
More than fine with that. Already know how many layered of resistance Anima have and people above him, should be above the Outsider though since he kinda resist all of his abilities and then do a conceptual erasure on him.
aight
 
Also.


He's kinda 6-C right? So he should be yeeted off of High 7-A tier?
 
Yeah, he's one of those characters who do have smurfy stuff, it just isn't that helpful in threads. Something to do with absorbing the power of a God and 1-A.
 
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