- 4,828
- 1,639
Can't wait for Berkeley cardinal entities to magically appear sometime after this conversation
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 36
- Thread starter Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
- Start date
- Status
Threemagi
He/Him- 486
- 97
@Abu2411 Right below Reinhardt cardinal I think? (According to wiki anyway)
@Naitodesu I found interesting fact that Hugh Woodin is the one who proposed Berkeley cardinals.
... And now I am more confused why there are 'Woodin' and 'Berkeley' if both came from Woodin.
But Woodin's 'Ultimate L' itself (used by Stephen Baxter) seems to have limitations not present in Berkeley.
I.e : In Ultimate L, Generalized Continuum Hypothesis holds. So, weakly cardinal would be categorized as strongly.
@Naitodesu I found interesting fact that Hugh Woodin is the one who proposed Berkeley cardinals.
... And now I am more confused why there are 'Woodin' and 'Berkeley' if both came from Woodin.
But Woodin's 'Ultimate L' itself (used by Stephen Baxter) seems to have limitations not present in Berkeley.
I.e : In Ultimate L, Generalized Continuum Hypothesis holds. So, weakly cardinal would be categorized as strongly.
- 15,492
- 10,297
I did screenshot all of this conversation to future purposes
Abu2411
He/Him- 1,363
- 627
Woodin named it Berkeley after the uni he gave the lecture at I think.
- 1,320
- 1,803
I feel like I'm a toddler listening to two adults talk, I have no idea what any of this means but I'm nodding thoughtfully
Abu2411
He/Him- 1,363
- 627
Just think of it as a scaling chain, that helps
Threemagi
He/Him- 486
- 97
@Soma_King Don't worry about it. I am just pretending to know what I am talking about lol.
(Seriously tho, I found certain info about this math stuff on wiki page... But found the info to be contradicted on other page.
(In Woodin's Ult. L, CH holds, but Woodin page says that he 'controversially' proposed that CH is false?? Wut?)
... Yeah, I'm not cut out for this, haha.)
(Seriously tho, I found certain info about this math stuff on wiki page... But found the info to be contradicted on other page.
(In Woodin's Ult. L, CH holds, but Woodin page says that he 'controversially' proposed that CH is false?? Wut?)
... Yeah, I'm not cut out for this, haha.)
- 4,924
- 2,082
Berkeley cardinal being so large it breaks math and by proxy breaks our tiering system exists in the background
- 153
- 120
The funny thing is, some verses are lowballed to what the verse extends to, If we use high end interpretations of mathematics then those verses could easily rivals or even fodderize all the characters in Manifold.
Abu2411
He/Him- 1,363
- 627
Powerscaling after all is subjective.
Threemagi
He/Him- 486
- 97
@TheDivineHost Cthulhu Mythos is one example. As it is, quite explicitly, said to be that way.
And yeah, I'm sure other verses can easily eclipse Baxterverse given you go by 'author intention' (not lowballing).
And yeah, I'm sure other verses can easily eclipse Baxterverse given you go by 'author intention' (not lowballing).
- 11,110
- 2,416
Shouldn't there be a 37th edition of this thread? this thread inflated to 76 pages.
- 3,452
- 787
Dont need to anymore with new forum
- 10,675
- 4,743
Space Ishtar for the epmty spot in 3B
- 12,440
- 4,573
Paula Jones for 8-B due to passive Fate hax and Low 1-C summoning
- 10,675
- 4,743
prayer doesn`t always work.
Weaknesses: The Player isn't forced to listen to her prayers, making these ineffective if they don't want to interfere.
Weaknesses: The Player isn't forced to listen to her prayers, making these ineffective if they don't want to interfere.
- 10,675
- 4,743
Yakagi hax got upgraded to 5D so put AoC below him
TheGreatJedi13
Username Only- 5,014
- 3,189
who are the candidates for 6-A 5th place?
Granblue Early is getting downgraded to 6-A which includes captain
Granblue Early is getting downgraded to 6-A which includes captain
- 145
- 58
Maybe Rider (Ozymandias) can be a candidate for 6-A
- 40,538
- 35,027
He can't. At all. He isn't that tier physically+ he isn't at all haxed enough.
TheGreatJedi13
Username Only- 5,014
- 3,189
yeah i saw some 6-A from Fate like artorias too
but I can't find the calc to see what is their potency
but I can't find the calc to see what is their potency
TheGreatJedi13
Username Only- 5,014
- 3,189
rip then
- 40,538
- 35,027
Artorias? Which version of fate did you read?
- 4,828
- 1,639
Fate/Dark Souls
TheGreatJedi13
Username Only- 5,014
- 3,189
- 40,538
- 35,027
He's even less haxed then Ozy...
- 5,927
- 2,946
Hajime seem to be the main contender for the spot, though honestly he should be at least above Satou, more because a match with both bloodlusted was closed because of be a stomp in favor of Hajime, and though a bloodlusted match is different than one in character I don't really think that much would change.
TheGreatJedi13
Username Only- 5,014
- 3,189
fair I'll look up each after the revision was done. Hajime's bullet do look potent to contend against Satou
what granblue has atm is their Ap advantage which is 4.417 petatons and everyone upscale from that
as for their haxes that's what I'm gonna check
Darksmash
He/Him- 1,494
- 1,636
By the same logic Dragon Ball is downplayed because we don't take Super Buu's omnipotence statement literally and will apparently fodderise all the tier 0s if we stop downplaying it. There is a limit to how much relaxed your logic can get. Downstreamers get the tier because it explicitly mentions Woodin cardinals, which is how this wiki works as we only use things that are shown in a verse instead of NLFing all statements
- 153
- 120
Yes. So? Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action. I am aware that I must have given you much cause for irritation your precious love.
Darksmash
He/Him- 1,494
- 1,636
Nothing really, I was just saying how your approach can be applied to any verse that have any kind of NLF statements and why it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of the wiki's methods. Of course I can't change your opinion nor do I care what you think.
- 153
- 120
I know that... and suddenly you spoke of a Super Buu's statement. Seriously? How is that relevant? I must say it might sound like a same scenario but it don't fcking look like one, I can tell you.
Darksmash
He/Him- 1,494
- 1,636
It's just my usual example of an NLF statement. You can use any other example. Transcending maths is the same thing. It would only equate to transcending things that are shown in the verse. The "high end" is NLF.
- 5,683
- 3,210
Aoc can't do nothing against 5-D Fate manipulation saving him.
̶H̶a̶h̶a̶h̶a̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶c̶r̶y̶ ̶M̶a̶d̶o̶k̶a̶'̶s̶ ̶b̶o̶y̶f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶,̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶s̶e̶c̶o̶n̶d̶ ̶g̶i̶r̶l̶f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶s̶ ̶y̶e̶t̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶o̶t̶a̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶u̶a̶h̶a̶h̶a̶h̶a̶!̶!̶!̶!̶!̶!̶
- 5,683
- 3,210
Wait, wasn't Ishtar already there?
- 153
- 120
Ah, yes. All that for a one "What If...?" statement. Wouldn't that rather defeat the purpose? lol
- Status
Similar threads
