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Can't wait for Berkeley cardinal entities to magically appear sometime after this conversation
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Woodin named it Berkeley after the uni he gave the lecture at I think.@Abu2411 Right below Reinhardt cardinal I think? (According to wiki anyway)
@Naitodesu I found interesting fact that Hugh Woodin is the one who proposed Berkeley cardinals.
... And now I am more confused why there are 'Woodin' and 'Berkeley' if both came from Woodin.
I feel like I'm a toddler listening to two adults talk, I have no idea what any of this means but I'm nodding thoughtfully@Abu2411 Right below Reinhardt cardinal I think? (According to wiki anyway)
@Naitodesu I found interesting fact that Hugh Woodin is the one who proposed Berkeley cardinals.
... And now I am more confused why there are 'Woodin' and 'Berkeley' if both came from Woodin.
But Woodin's 'Ultimate L' itself (used by Stephen Baxter) seems to have limitations not present in Berkeley.
I.e : In Ultimate L, Generalized Continuum Hypothesis holds. So, weakly cardinal would be categorized as strongly.
Just think of it as a scaling chain, that helpsI feel like I'm a toddler listening to two adults talk, I have no idea what any of this means but I'm nodding thoughtfully
Berkeley cardinal being so large it breaks math and by proxy breaks our tiering system exists in the backgroundSoon we will reach a cardinal so impossibly large that it dwarfs Tier 0. One day math will become so advanced that there will be a cardinal so large that it'll qualify for tier -1. Math is god. Praise math.
The funny thing is, some verses are lowballed to what the verse extends to, If we use high end interpretations of mathematics then those verses could easily rivals or even fodderize all the characters in Manifold.Man
Math is scary.
Powerscaling after all is subjective.The funny thing is, some verses are lowballed to what the verse extends to, If we use high end interpretations of mathematics then those verses could easily rivals or even fodderize all the characters in Manifold.
Dont need to anymore with new forumShouldn't there be a 37th edition of this thread? this thread inflated to 76 pages.
Umm, praise XenForo?About New forums and Old forums
He can't. At all. He isn't that tier physically+ he isn't at all haxed enough.Maybe Rider (Ozymandias) can be a candidate for 6-A
rip thenHe can't. At all. He isn't that tier physically+ he isn't at all haxed enough.
Artorias? Which version of fate did you read?yeah i saw some 6-A from Fate like artorias too
but I can't find the calc to see what is their potency
who are the candidates for 6-A 5th place?
Granblue Early is getting downgraded to 6-A which includes captain
Hajime Nagumo for third place in 6-A, have madness manip with his killing intent, space, time, matter, info, mind, soul and gravity manip, reactive evolution, analytical prediction, concept manip type 2, EE with conceptual info manip, and various potents speeds amps.
Hajime seem to be the main contender for the spot, though honestly he should be at least above Satou, more because a match with both bloodlusted was closed because of be a stomp in favor of Hajime, and though a bloodlusted match is different than one in character I don't really think that much would change.Hajime for the empty spot in 6A
fair I'll look up each after the revision was done. Hajime's bullet do look potent to contend against SatouHajime seem to be the main contender for the spot, though honestly he should be at least above Satou, more because a match with both bloodlusted was closed because of be a stomp in favor of Hajime, and though a bloodlusted match is different than one in character I don't really think that much would change.
By the same logic Dragon Ball is downplayed because we don't take Super Buu's omnipotence statement literally and will apparently fodderise all the tier 0s if we stop downplaying it. There is a limit to how much relaxed your logic can get. Downstreamers get the tier because it explicitly mentions Woodin cardinals, which is how this wiki works as we only use things that are shown in a verse instead of NLFing all statementsThe funny thing is, some verses are lowballed to what the verse extends to, If we use high end interpretations of mathematics then those verses could easily rivals or even fodderize all the characters in Manifold.
Yes. So? Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action. I am aware that I must have given you much cause for irritation your precious love.By the same logic Dragon Ball is downplayed because we don't take Super Buu's omnipotence statement literally and will apparently fodderise all the tier 0s if we stop downplaying it. There is a limit to how much relaxed your logic can get. Downstreamers get the tier because it explicitly mentions Woodin cardinals, which is how this wiki works as we only use things that are shown in a verse instead of NLFing all statements
Nothing really, I was just saying how your approach can be applied to any verse that have any kind of NLF statements and why it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of the wiki's methods. Of course I can't change your opinion nor do I care what you think.Yes. So? Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action. I am aware that I must have given you much cause for irritation your precious love.
I know that... and suddenly you spoke of a Super Buu's statement. Seriously? How is that relevant? I must say it might sound like a same scenario but it don't fcking look like one, I can tell you.Nothing really, I was just saying how your approach can be applied to any verse that have any kind of NLF statements and why it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of the wiki's methods. Of course I can't change your opinion nor do I care what you think.
It's just my usual example of an NLF statement. You can use any other example. Transcending maths is the same thing. It would only equate to transcending things that are shown in the verse. The "high end" is NLF.I know that... and suddenly you spoke of a Super Buu's statement. Seriously? How is that relevant? I must say it might sound like a same scenario but it don't fcking look like one, I can tell you.
Aoc can't do nothing against 5-D Fate manipulation saving him.Can his law negate passive NEP type 2 curse
Wait, wasn't Ishtar already there?Space Ishtar for the epmty spot in 3B
Ah, yes. All that for a one "What If...?" statement. Wouldn't that rather defeat the purpose? lolIt's just my usual example of an NLF statement. You can use any other example. Transcending maths is the same thing. It would only equate to transcending things that are shown in the verse. The "high end" is NLF.