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The way I see it, Dies Irae chars likely get a spot and Darquess gets knocked off anyway, so Jokertu has to fight Friedrich
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Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier 36
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couldn't find "Friedrich"
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but either way, dies irae characters might take 3rd spot and knock out Darquess from the list with friederich tanner replacing the 5th
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ergenverse characters for 5th 6A
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so when will beatrice get a spot back in 1-A again
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uminkeo characters are already 2nd 1A
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Why does the semi-speed equal thing even exist on this thread? Speed equalisation is a concept introduced cause it makes it easier for users to create vs threads that aren’t stomps but that doesn’t matter when 99.999% of every match brought up here are stomps and this thread only exists to gauge which characters are the strongest for every tier, not to suggest fair fights for certain characters.
It’s not “Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier If You Throw Out An Extremely Important Statistic”.
It’s not “Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier If You Throw Out An Extremely Important Statistic”.
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Because then this list becomes a Top 5 Fastest Characters per tier unless you have a passive, and imo, gaining a spot through speed alone is kind of lame.
Edit: I just realized that Irrelevant speed beats passive unless speeds equalized/opponent also has irrelevant speed so this list would just be Top 5 Fastest Characters Per Tier lol
Edit: I just realized that Irrelevant speed beats passive unless speeds equalized/opponent also has irrelevant speed so this list would just be Top 5 Fastest Characters Per Tier lol
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That sounds like a very hollow reason against, tbh. One of the main physical statistics of a character being billions of times superior to the other leads to a win? A shocker, that one.
And immeasurable by default means shit like being able to outspeed time and timetravel before anything even happens. Of course that would be massive in a battle? Removing it is like restricting a dozen skills.
If a character couldn't win the spot they're in in a battle without their enemy being handycapped, they aren't really the "strongest".
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Well it's not really entertaining to just emulate another existing list, but if you think it's so wrong then go make your own, you can add "REAL Top 5 Strongest for Every Tier, Speed Unequalized"
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I mean "strongest" will lose its meaning when you know it's just gonna be a race of who's the fastest rather than the variety or potency of abilities, it's boring like that. I get we want to be correct but yeesh
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It isn’t any further away from definitions of “strongest” than muh passive fate hax, NEP and so on.
It also isn’t any “lamer” than the above either.
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Imo, speed unequaled should be allowed. Being the strongest also means overcoming speed as an issue weather it be by intelligence or an ability. Speed is very much a strong determining factor in who the strongest should be. If all a character has is hax but gets speed blitzed. Then that's an issue to me and the character getting blitzed should not be the strongest. Passives are different stories.
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The best response to somebody pointing out a flawed precedent in some system isn’t “yeah well how about you bring your accuracy somewhere else”.
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A flawed precedent that could easily be fixed with:
*With speeds equalized
There, now it's no longer incorrect! Can we go home now? If a non-smurf top 5 strongest can exist, why not a speeds equalized top 5 strongest, hm?
*With speeds equalized
There, now it's no longer incorrect! Can we go home now? If a non-smurf top 5 strongest can exist, why not a speeds equalized top 5 strongest, hm?
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I simply hate matches with unequalized speed because they always ends with a speed blitz.
This thread is dedicated to who are the strongest characters regarding haxes, abilities, AP and other factor connected to the power of a character without taking into consideration the speed. It's also in the OP that the list consider speed equalized, so I don't see any problem.
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For one, this list came long before.
For two, it's not like speed would be any more of an instant win cruch than passive hax with X dimensionality.
For three, this list is to say which character is strongest, no? Someone pointing out that the system automatically makes stronger stronger characters lose by restricting their abilities isn't something you should just wave off?
I mean, what even is the problem? Top strongest right now relies on which buzzword hax the character has, and whether it's passive or not.
I mean, you're acting like this is some great pain to be responding to...
You aren't being told to follow commands, dude. We are presenting our opinion, why be so defensive about it? You're acting like we're trying to go against the spirit of this thread by putting the strongest character on top...
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Look at 90% of the propositions for a character. They're mostly "he has x hax, he wins."
In the case there is even a thread, it's the one who made it and maybe another two dudes saying "he stomps with X hax".
I don't think this thread is to make entrataining and well balanced vsbattles...
I mean, the question is why? Why is turning your enemy into confetti, punching them into dust and passively driving them to suicide allowed, but punching them fast not?
I'm asking why, not if that's the case. I know the status quo.
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The list already splits some of the positions with speed equal / speed unequal, does this really need to be argued about
Just nominate the strongest character that fit for unequal speed, that’s simple enough right?
Just nominate the strongest character that fit for unequal speed, that’s simple enough right?
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TBH, Speed Equalized is pretty much a standard assumption for battles
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Mostly because speed presents the awkward issue of most matches being undoable simply because most of them would end in blitzes otherwise. Literally being such a pain in the ass that the wiki allows matchups that restrict it.
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No because characters that lose to many, many other characters in the same tier shouldn’t be called the strongest.
Yeah and the reason why it is a standard assumption doesn’t apply here, as I said in my first post on the subject.
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... this thread works under standard battles assumptions tho
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Bro, again, everything else on this thread is also about one character stomping another with some tiresome and repetitively mentioned hax (many of which don’t have their effectiveness nulled by unequal speed anyway). How interesting a match is just ain’t relevant.
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There was a whole debate about that. It was pretty strongly rejected after a while.
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Your point?
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It was before the forum move iirc, it was quite the long debate tbh.
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not how it works, the strongest title doesn't mean you litterally win against everyone else in the tier, it's for who wins the most. W/L score.
that your argument makes no sense because all standard rules are put there for fairness sake
what
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“not how it works, the strongest title doesn't mean you litterally win against everyone else in the tier, it's for who wins the most. W/L score.”
This is semantics but alright I’ll rephrase what I said as “characters shouldn’t be glorified as stronger than another based on an arbitrary precedent”.
“that your argument makes no sense because all standard rules are put there for fairness sake”
This argument is wrong because standard assumptions are assumptions that kind of need to exist when discussing which character would beat another. Saying a stat just doesn’t exist is completely arbitrary in this context. You might as well say that hax, ap, etc should be ignored.
“what”
He thought you were claiming that speed equalisation falls under SBA. Which, in fairness, is exactly what you were saying.
This is semantics but alright I’ll rephrase what I said as “characters shouldn’t be glorified as stronger than another based on an arbitrary precedent”.
“that your argument makes no sense because all standard rules are put there for fairness sake”
This argument is wrong because standard assumptions are assumptions that kind of need to exist when discussing which character would beat another. Saying a stat just doesn’t exist is completely arbitrary in this context. You might as well say that hax, ap, etc should be ignored.
“what”
He thought you were claiming that speed equalisation falls under SBA. Which, in fairness, is exactly what you were saying.
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Arbitrary precedent that's litterally the basis of how fights are done on the site.
just going to ignore how SBA restricts range down to 4 KM, you know, a main stat
do not respond to question not made to you
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“Arbitrary precedent that's litterally the basis of how fights are done on the site.”
It’s not the basis of Jack shit, it’s the way things happen to mostly be done outside of this thread cause it makes life easier. There’s a difference between how things are done outside of this thread and how they should be and are here and I’ve explained it multiple times so please respond to those ******* comments if you wish to continue.
“just going to ignore how SBA restricts range down to 4 KM, you know, a main stat”
It limits starting distance, not range. Range can still be and is relevant.
“do not respond to question not made to you”
Lol.
It’s not the basis of Jack shit, it’s the way things happen to mostly be done outside of this thread cause it makes life easier. There’s a difference between how things are done outside of this thread and how they should be and are here and I’ve explained it multiple times so please respond to those ******* comments if you wish to continue.
“just going to ignore how SBA restricts range down to 4 KM, you know, a main stat”
It limits starting distance, not range. Range can still be and is relevant.
“do not respond to question not made to you”
Lol.
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