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The way I see it, Dies Irae chars likely get a spot and Darquess gets knocked off anyway, so Jokertu has to fight Friedrich
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couldn't find "Friedrich"The way I see it, Dies Irae chars likely get a spot and Darquess gets knocked off anyway, so Jokertu has to fight Friedrich
uminkeo characters are already 2nd 1Aso when will beatrice get a spot back in 1-A again
That sounds like a very hollow reason against, tbh. One of the main physical statistics of a character being billions of times superior to the other leads to a win? A shocker, that one.Because then this list becomes a Top 5 Fastest Characters per tier unless you have a passive, and imo, gaining a spot through speed alone is kind of lame.
Edit: I just realized that Irrelevant speed beats passive unless speeds equalized/opponent also has irrelevant speed so this list would just be Top 5 Fastest Characters Per Tier lol
It isn’t any further away from definitions of “strongest” than muh passive fate hax, NEP and so on.Honestly equalizing speed will ruin the meaning of "strongest"
The best response to somebody pointing out a flawed precedent in some system isn’t “yeah well how about you bring your accuracy somewhere else”.A separate thread can be made for a list of the strongest characters with unequalized speed. There is no need to modify the rules of an already existing thread.
I simply hate matches with unequalized speed because they always ends with a speed blitz.The best response to somebody pointing out a flawed precedent in some system isn’t “yeah well how about you bring your accuracy somewhere else”.
For one, this list came long before.Well it's not really entertaining to just emulate another existing list, but if you think it's so wrong then go make your own, you can add "REAL Top 5 Strongest for Every Tier, Speed Unequalized"
You aren't being told to follow commands, dude. We are presenting our opinion, why be so defensive about it? You're acting like we're trying to go against the spirit of this thread by putting the strongest character on top...A flawed precedent that could easily be fixed with:
*With speeds equalized
There, now it's no longer incorrect! Can we go home now? If a non-smurf top 5 strongest can exist, why not a speeds equalized top 5 strongest, hm?
Look at 90% of the propositions for a character. They're mostly "he has x hax, he wins."I simply hate matches with unequalized speed because they always ends with a speed blitz.
I mean, the question is why? Why is turning your enemy into confetti, punching them into dust and passively driving them to suicide allowed, but punching them fast not?This thread is dedicated to who are the strongest characters regarding haxes, abilities, AP and other factor connected to the power of a character without taking into consideration the speed.
I'm asking why, not if that's the case. I know the status quo.It's also in the OP that the list consider speed equalized, so I don't see any problem.
No because characters that lose to many, many other characters in the same tier shouldn’t be called the strongest.The list already splits some of the positions with speed equal / speed unequal, does this really need to be argued about
Just nominate the strongest character that fit for unequal speed, that’s simple enough right?
Yeah and the reason why it is a standard assumption doesn’t apply here, as I said in my first post on the subject.TBH, Speed Equalized is pretty much a standard assumption for battles
... this thread works under standard battles assumptions thoYeah and the reason why it is a standard assumption doesn’t apply here, as I said in my first post on the subject.
Bro, again, everything else on this thread is also about one character stomping another with some tiresome and repetitively mentioned hax (many of which don’t have their effectiveness nulled by unequal speed anyway). How interesting a match is just ain’t relevant.Mostly because speed presents the awkward issue of most matches being undoable simply because most of them would end in blitzes otherwise. Literally being such a pain in the ass that the wiki allows matchups that restrict it.
There was a whole debate about that. It was pretty strongly rejected after a while.TBH, Speed Equalized is pretty much a standard assumption for battles
Your point?... this thread works under standard battles assumptions tho
It was before the forum move iirc, it was quite the long debate tbh.There was a whole debate about that. It was pretty strongly rejected after a while.
not how it works, the strongest title doesn't mean you litterally win against everyone else in the tier, it's for who wins the most. W/L score.No because characters that lose to many, many other characters in the same tier shouldn’t be called the strongest.
that your argument makes no sense because all standard rules are put there for fairness sakeYour point?
whatThere was a whole debate about that. It was pretty strongly rejected after a while.
Arbitrary precedent that's litterally the basis of how fights are done on the site.This is semantics but alright I’ll rephrase what I said as “characters shouldn’t be glorified as stronger than another based on an arbitrary precedent”.
just going to ignore how SBA restricts range down to 4 KM, you know, a main statThis argument is wrong because standard assumptions are assumptions that kind of need to exist when discussing which character would beat another. Saying a stat just doesn’t exist is completely arbitrary in this context. You might as well say that hax, ap, etc should be ignored.
do not respond to question not made to youHe thought you were claiming that speed equalisation falls under SBA. Which, in fairness, is exactly what you were saying.
From the Rules in the OP:“The reason for equalizing speed is because this thread uses SBA, and SBA equalizes speed. Why is everyone trying to change this thread when a separate thread can be made without SBA?”
It doesn’t.