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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Chariot190 said:
The plot demands that the sun is a lil to bright at that exact moment so Dio closes his eyes because ouch that hurts whenever he'd have seen it otherwise 🤷
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Honestly they might share a spot if Dio gets past Caliborn, cause Gotrek just can't die or be perma incapped
 
Chariot190 said:
Does he have 1-A protection and smurf hax.
Like unless there's a 6-B who can get around passive 1-A plot, probability, fate and actual PIS/Plot Armor, feel like Dio should be top 1.
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don't know but looking at his profile he seems to not have anything to get past it
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Livinmeme said:
Dio beyonder won't protect him against literally unscapable situation (if my mind is correct), and having an enitre timeline collapse into you is kinda of an unscapable situation.
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It would though? A random deus ex machina will happen, even if it makes zero sense, or maybe the fact that happening is written to begin with but just further serves to boost Dio's goals.

Like, Jorge in novel was dying, fated to die, and was meant to die in the story from a metaperspective (he dies in canon), but because he believed in Beyond, a literal plot device showed up and sent him 10,000,000,000,000,000 years into the future into a different universe out of nowhere (Dio also makes use of this to time travel and move between worlds so....).

The worst part about this is, everything you just said wouldn't even happen. If it's so inescapable, it wouldn't ever come to pass, it'd be written so something happens that stops it, or maybe it just doesn't work, or maybe Dio asspulls a new power, or maybe this, or maybe that, but fact of the matter is, a mere universal collapse is a non-threat to Dio with Beyond and the narrative would be written in a way where Dio manages to neg it somehow or it just isn't a factor.

Honestly, I don't think he even needs Beyond given Ultimate Kars could survive in the white flash of the end of the universe 36 times due to his unkillability. And Dio has his immortality.
 
Chariot190 said:
It would though? A random deus ex machina will happen, even if it makes zero sense, or maybe the fact that happening is written to begin with but just further serves to boost Dio's goals.

Like, Jorge in novel was dying, fated to die, and was meant to die in the story from a metaperspective (he dies in canon), but because he believed in Beyond, a literal plot device showed up and sent him 10,000,000,000,000,000 years into the future into a different universe out of nowhere (Dio also makes use of this to time travel and move between worlds so....).

The worst part about this is, everything you just said wouldn't even happen. If it's so inescapable, it wouldn't ever come to pass, it'd be written so something happens that stops it, or maybe it just doesn't work, or maybe Dio asspulls a new power, or maybe this, or maybe that, but fact of the matter is, a mere universal collapse is a non-threat to Dio with Beyond and the narrative would be written in a way where Dio manages to neg it somehow or it just isn't a factor.

Honestly, I don't think he even needs Beyond given Ultimate Kars could survive in the white flash of the end of the universe 36 times due to his unkillability. And Dio has his immortality.
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Yeah, Kang universal collapse only happens if he dies, and most of his abilities get negged by dio BS regen. like passively killing people brain cells
 
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Who are Low 6-B Smash bros characters? Looking at several of their profiles, they are High 6-A, if they got upgraded, they should be removed unless one of them is still Low 6-B.
 
ThanatosX said:
Nyanlathotep should be 9th place in the 1-A list since her True Form is one layer above baseline, while Lu Zhiyu is baseline from what I know.
I think Ln'eta and Estir should be able to take the 4th place in the Low 2-C Tier (I don't know what the Player have, so at worst they can share the spot I guess) and the 3rd place in the 5-B Tier (from what I see, Marvel's characters in that Tier tops at High 1-B and Low 1-A), since they are the avatars of their 1-A real forms, which gives them Immortality of that level, plus they have a lot of other haxes, that includes passives.
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Bump
 
Eseseso said:
Marvel's magic smurf hax is now 1-A, so I'll discuss the 5-B listings and all the other stuff once I'm done applying the edits.
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Than Ln'eta and Estir can be put in the 4th position both in the Low 2-C and 5-B list for the time being. I prefer not to discuss too much about the exact placing, I would just like them to be placed on the list. Maybe one day I will make matches to give them higher positions, but for now I don't mind them being lower.
 
ThanatosX said:
I think Ln'eta and Estir should be able to take the 4th place in the Low 2-C Tier (I don't know what the Player have, so at worst they can share the spot I guess)
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Tbf, the Player's smurf hax (Law hax/power null) is "Low 1-C, possibly 1-A".
ThanatosX said:
and the 3rd place in the 5-B Tier (from what I see, Marvel's characters in that Tier tops at High 1-B and Low 1-A), since they are the avatars of their 1-A real forms, which gives them Immortality of that level, plus they have a lot of other haxes, that includes passives.
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Looking at the pages, it seems like their passives are resisted by the 5-B's of Marvel, and while they can't be killed due to their 1-A type 9 immortality they don't seem to resist most of the Marvel Magic hax.
 
Eseseso said:
Marvel's magic smurf hax is now 1-A, so I'll discuss the 5-B listings and all the other stuff once I'm done applying the edits.
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Ok, so let's begin from highest to lowest:

1-A: Looking at Nyanathotep's page, her true form's hax seems to fall short of the Marvel Abstracts, who in their True Universal forms (2nd key) are 1 layer into 1-A, so they should be #9 for now (will look to see how they fare against the Ergenverse).

Low 1-A: Remove them from the Low 1-A section, as literally every Low 1-A is now a 1-A.

High 1-B: The High 1-B's in Marvel with magic hax (Mephisto, the Celestials, High 1-B Doctor Doom, Dormammu) have 1-A smurf hax, so they outhax Wendy even with the Fang of Space and Time.

High 3-A: People like Thor and Galactus are there, so the Marvel Comics people should be #4 below Fang Xiu

3-C: Chen Jin has passive Corrosion hax (combined with negating HGR as well as all types of Immortality) that Marvel people don't resist despite Marvel having Higher smurf hax potency, so nothing changes.

5-A: Same case, so Dr. Strange stays at his spot

5-B: Same vase as 3-C/5-A, plus Lu Zhiyu is IIRC a 1-A smurf of his own, so nothing changes.

8-C: WH40k assassins have better 1-A hax, so Storm stays at #2
 
Eseseso said:
Tbf, the Player's smurf hax (Law hax/power null) is "Low 1-C, possibly 1-A".
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As already talked about previously, the Player lack the range to actually affect the true forms of Ln'eta and Estir. Low 1-C, possibly 1-A is only for potency, not for range which in the 5-B key is explicitely told to be "Standard Melee Range, Universal+ with magic", with it being "Low Complex Multiversal, possibly Outerversal by Arc III", Arc III being his Low 1-C, possibly 1-A key. Since he can't really kill their true form, they can just eventually wake up or change the dream and it would be a gg.

Eseseso said:
Looking at the pages, it seems like their passives are resisted by the 5-B's of Marvel, and while they can't be killed due to their 1-A type 9 immortality they don't seem to resist most of the Marvel Magic hax.
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I already said in my previous comment that I was fine with Ln'eta and Estir being lower than Marvel's characters, but if we really want to discuss it than Doctor Doom and Daimon don't have the range to affect their true form, while the two can change the dream as they see fit to obtain a certain result that they want to reach. But really, I don't want to debate this further, so I am fine with whatever.
 
ThanatosX said:
As already talked about previously, the Player lack the range to actually affect the true forms of Ln'eta and Estir. Low 1-C, possibly 1-A is only for potency, not for range which in the 5-B key is explicitely told to be "Standard Melee Range, Universal+ with magic", with it being "Low Complex Multiversal, possibly Outerversal by Arc III", Arc III being his Low 1-C, possibly 1-A key. Since he can't really kill their true form, they can just eventually wake up or change the dream and it would be a gg.
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Sure, that would do it.
ThanatosX said:
I already said in my previous comment that I was fine with Ln'eta and Estir being lower than Marvel's characters, but if we really want to discuss it than Doctor Doom and Daimon don't have the range to affect their true form, while the two can change the dream as they see fit to obtain a certain result that they want to reach. But really, I don't want to debate this further, so I am fine with whatever.
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The Marvel people can't affect their true forms, but they can easily outhax the 5-B Sucker For Love women, plus they resist stuff like reality warping and causality hax due to their resistance of magic.
 
deonment said:
5th Steps are 1 layer above baseline and Meng Hao has hax that is 2 layers above baseline + they all have usual chinaman bullshit
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Well, technically 20 layers. 4th Step has 2 realms (Heaven Trampling/Daosource/Boundless Dao + Ancestor)
 
Eseseso said:
And the layers apply to all that 1-A hax?
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Yeah. It's a fundamental constant of cultivation in the setting. Of course, it resets for dimensional/existential jumps obv, else 1-A Meng would have like 100+ layers or smth.
 
Planck69 said:
Yeah. It's a fundamental constant of cultivation in the setting. Of course, it resets for dimensional/existential jumps obv, else 1-A Meng would have like 100+ layers or smth.
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Ok, so 5-20 layers of 1-A hax >>> Marvel's 1 layer of 1-A magic hax for high-tier/SS tier sorcerers, so Ergenverse keeps its spot in the 1-A ranking.
 
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