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Good, now what stops his spammed to apsolutely mother ******* hell and back death manipulation from just trashing her repeatedly?
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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her mid-godly regen can technically resurrect even the consciousness alongside the body as long as her soul/concept is intact. Dispel bounds protect haxes that work on physical, emotional, astral and conceptual levels, it's unconventional resistance because you have to physically break through all the layers first to affect any of the user's existential aspects. And even touching one will have you powernulled and erased on all levels with around 5 layers in potency
Also let's not forget about bastard!! dudes passives...
*edit: forgot to tell but she can resist death manip as it's one of the spells that human uses.
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Thank you for explaining that, I've no complaints about Diane going above Nihilus now.
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just itachi , coiling dragon characters and maybe shaitan but thats been contested apparently immesurable speed is smurf
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The concept magics in Fortissimo works different than your usual Concept Manips
It's not depending on types, it's depending on the AP of the concept that is trying to overwrites the Concept Magic.
This is universally how the Concept Magics in Fortissimo works. At first, I also thought it's layered thing, but then after I rewatching some of the Concept Magic duels, it's turn out that whichever concepts got more energy win.
That is why when 2 concept magics clash, it's turn into a DBZ style of clash.
You have to defeat the concept magics with concepts that have higher AP, otherwise the Concept Magic will overwrites it with it's own concept.
And Odin's 3-C tier is just him holding back (hence why the key is called 50% power. His 100% is Low 2-C for being the strongest magi ever live, which would put him aboves the post-ragnarok magi like Reiji ) and it's implied that Odin cannot overwrites Das Rheingold even with Gotterdammerung at 100% power.
Uriel's highest tier is 3-B, or perhap he is also holding back like Odin ? If he can pour more AP into his concept manip (more than Low 2-C) then I'm fine with him defeats Odin.
EDIT: wait, come to think about it, I cant argues low 2-C Odin since it's not in the profile (and considering the inconsistency between Fortissimo and it's sequel, Kadenz Fermata). Welp, Uriel can take Odin's place then.
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Uriel 3B is him getting power boasts not holding hack.
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it's fair on concepts stuff. Though even then Uriel would still win via ways of incapacitating, he incon last time due to lack of means to put down Odin permanently, which won't be the case now thanks to the release of that whole blog containing technically every spell in the verse.
Also, the Low-2C stuff would be limited even if it were to have on his profile. This is how we avoid cases where characters get into another tier when they go full power, we restricted them just like how Saints from SS were. I.e, it can still be used on threads that allow smurf for example, not this one
Just a little out of the topic, can Odin's/Concepts magic in Fortissmo be negated by powernull that can null conceptual shenanigans then?
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Hmm...even so, arguing with Odin being low 2-C at his strongest is hard, because the rating is not in his profile yet.
The 100% power arguement is just to explain to you about how Concept Magic in Fortissimo works.
Das Rheingod (Odin's Eternity Absolute) is by default cant be negated by 100% power Odin. Which mean it still requires Low 2-C concept magic to overwrites it.
Depend on what you mean by that, Tyrfing by itself can negates and destroys concepts, but it still failed to overwrites Das Rheingold (Even Overload Tyrfing failed, which is Tyrfingx3 ). Hell, Loge's Akashic Record can powernull with it's space-time manip to control timeline of the universe, but Odin curbstombed Loge anyway.
If you want to powernull Concept Magic, your powernull must be conceptual in nature, and has potency over Low 2-C to negates Das Rheingold
When fighting Concept Magic, it's either overwrites or get overwritten.
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that's cool, divine/demonic power is arguably conceptual since angels/demons are concepts intrinsically while also have been confirmed to be mass of magic themselves, the low-2c requirement is tough tho.
Honestly, we could have had a decent debate if it wasn't for the fact that Odin's profile is pretty outdated. Terms and stuff in Fortissimo do sound really potent, it's sorry that we couldn't witness the full arsenal of such a verse.
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Well, I already approves Uriel get Odin's place because it's only unfair if I uses something that is off-profile.
It's partially outdated. More like, the supporters dont know what to do with the inconsistency between the first game and the sequel. Not to mention, not many peoples want to make profiles for the characters from the sequel because how bad writing it is. As in, the writing make peoples frustrated and quit in the middle of the game.
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Just look at the verse page for the supporters. It's mainly zarathustra, plank
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So Kamen Rider Ghost got a pretty decent upgrade. His High 6-B key got AE 1 and NEP Nature 1&3 along with Type 1&3.
Is there any characters other than Gongsun Wang'er who can interacted with him?
Is there any characters other than Gongsun Wang'er who can interacted with him?
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Can he offensively beat any of them? Just being hard to hit doesn't give one spots
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Every hit induced EE, powernull, deconstruction on soul level which bypasses layered resistances of the Great Eyes who resisted all of Ghost abilities before Reactive Evo kicked in. Along with his Reactive Evolution which allowed his power to grow the more mind he has connected (read) with, at first this grant him intang that superseeded other ghost, allowing him to be completely invisible and intangible to other characters who normally able to perceived spirits and the above mentioned resistances of the Great Eyes.
He also neg Mid-Godly regen that bypass resistance to Mid Godly Regen Neg by killing Great Eyeser.
There's other abilities like time manip which allow him to speed amp blitz (every Kamen Rider favourite), regress age to toddler and so on.
All of his abilities also bypasses resistance.
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All right you ready to fight Warhammer Fantasy again?
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He isn't skills compare to Saber and Z1 Rider.
But I can't really stop you from making the match now, can I?
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Bold of you to assume I was gonna use... a melee...
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He wouldn't get past slime. Diablo has high - godly regen
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Inconning someone don't mean shit if Ghost can thrash everyone above Diablo
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Since its only aspect type 1 and 3, shouldnt any Slime character can attack him with type 2 info manip?
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That mean they have to perceived him first, his incorporeality is that even those that can normally perceived soul and such are unable to even see his existence.
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they dont need to see him if the type 2 info manip is passive
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How does their infos manip works? Ghost by himself passively nullify ability that they come in contact with if it's harmful.
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it can give their aura's effect to enemy's type 2 info, such as fear, death, sleep, confusion, radiation, and corruption type 2. Can ghost nullify an ability at the level of type 2 info manip? otherwise it would be useless
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Ehit adapted to conceptual ee just by sheer will to live, Ghost EE wouldn't do anything to him. Deconstruction he similarly resist several layers, hell to begin with Apostles deconstruction come from him so that's another thing useless against him. Powernull and soul manip are also resisted on both law and conceptual levels do to scale above the tier 6 Arifureta characters, along with the fact that he himself showed to resist Divine Edict. He himself also have time manip and one of his techniques with it is a speed amp which not only blitz but is stated to look like an instantaneous teleportation.
About the interaction and sensing would probably depend in how a near crt for the verse would end, though like the Slime characters Ehit can both see/sense and manipulate abstract info (Type 1 and 2).
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wait i just remembered, there are slime character that can see soul as abstrack as type 2 info, they should be able to see him(?)
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bump
Satan kinda outmatched diablo here while the latter inconed with Greeza I think. 3A needs a little adjustment
Also, Setsuna, it would be preferable to specify Bastard!! spot in 3C includes Uriel and Dark Schneider since they're the only two of the verse having that key.
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Characters from Bleach (Yumichika Ayasegawa, Izuru Kira and Rukia Kuchiki) for a placement at 7-C.
Also removed Nocturne from the list, LOL characters are currently undergoing massive revisions and Nocturne's profile is also extremely outdated (doesn't help the fact the dude has smurf speed in his 2nd Key which is what i'm assuming puts him above Beiloune)
Also removed Nocturne from the list, LOL characters are currently undergoing massive revisions and Nocturne's profile is also extremely outdated (doesn't help the fact the dude has smurf speed in his 2nd Key which is what i'm assuming puts him above Beiloune)
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I'm fairly certain Baba in 4-C gets beaten by everyone below him. Baba has good powers, but all powers take very long to activate. So long that he would be dead long before he could. (He needs to push certain giant blocks that are spread around the area into the right combinations)
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that on his 3B key not 4C key
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He did the original feat in his 4-C key, that was what let him reach the next key after he got assimilated into akashic and then got out, the "Akashic Wisdom" Key is for after he left, and could then go back at any time, but the 4-C key can still do it too
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having part of tier 1 power doesn`t make him a smurf. He doesn`t have any smurf ability listed is his profile
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He can literally become a tier 1 being in this key, wdym
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He can't. It's not in his profile
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