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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued

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YungManzi said:
The hard thing with soul resistance is... petrifying someone's soul isn't the equivalent of like a soul crush. Not at all. Also, they'd have to worry about their magic being turned to stone too.
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The detail is that the things that spirit magic can do is transmute souls, to for example turn them to dragon souls as show with Tio, so the defenses granted by it also cover something like soul transmutation (as weird as that could sound). There is also the fact that most characters (except Apostles and Fried) also have evolution magic (info manip) to enhance the power of their abilitites and resistances along with interfere with directly affect abstract information (one of evolution magic applications is for example affect the magic power or stats of someone, and in Hajime case he can even make his evolution magic reach the point of eliminate the info of the concept of someone to the point that not even time manip could restore the affected information) which is another thing that would also let them defend against the petrification. And the restoration magic (time manip) is also another thing on top that would make them resist/negate the petrification, because as said Kaori for example have restoration magic that automatically negate anything done to her by making her time go back to before be affected, Shia is also the one with the less affinity with restoration magic and even then the first time she showed her restoration magic was by negating the petrification of her body by rewinding the time of her body (and technically the one who would be used in a tier 6 match is her afterstories key who have a artifact with time manip that automatically resurrect her or heal if detected an anomally), so that's another reason more to believe that the petrification isn't a problem.

Additonally, the petrification isn't a passive effect (dragon eyes aren't really passive) so the characters would be able to feel the danger from it before it happen with his instincts (that are basically spider-senses because they are absurd at this point) and do something (in Hajime case could activate his thought based 12x speed amp, Kaori amp her speed to blitz levels with time manip, Shea could do her weird intangibility with spatial manip for example and in general the characters could do more things to defend or counter), in Shea case she on top of the broken instincts also have literal precog so that's something more to consider in her case.

In general they have enough reasons to resist/negate/counter the petrification which is the only real win con the Tsuki Ga side have while additionally have themselves various possible win cons.
 
Alright.

Even fodder youkai (currently rated at 8-B+ via upscaling from this) have a passive aura that automatically induces fear, and doing so also automatically triggers spirit manipulation. So The Sorrow has his soul, mind, emotions, stamina, and stats absorbed/obliterated, his powers nulled, regeneration slowed, with all of this negating any potential resistances the instant the fight begins. This is in addition to the spirit manipulation that already triggers on every attack, with all Touhou characters having danmaku that lets them throw out hundreds of attacks simultaneously.
 
What is the range? The fight will start 4 kilometers away, so what's to stop Sorrow from simply sending the Youkai to the death world? Sorrow can also use precog before the fight
 
He can't use precog, youkai have acausality. But also why 4 kilometers? Isn't the BFR being interdimensional just a matter of how far away it sends the target and not the range at which he can use the BFR?
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Alright.

Even fodder youkai (currently rated at 8-B+ via upscaling from this) have a passive aura that automatically induces fear, and doing so also automatically triggers spirit manipulation. So The Sorrow has his soul, mind, emotions, stamina, and stats absorbed/obliterated, his powers nulled, regeneration slowed, with all of this negating any potential resistances the instant the fight begins. This is in addition to the spirit manipulation that already triggers on every attack, with all Touhou characters having danmaku that lets them throw out hundreds of attacks simultaneously.
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Even a regular human can survive having the spirit eaten and still walk, though. (even if with difficulty)
Also really doubt it's actually passive, since Youkai interact plenty with people without harming them (and the effect would go against spell card rules). For something to be passive it has to happen at least a majority of all times.
 
PainKiller07 said:
Urgh... sorry let me change his tiering accordingly to his AP
There, finished
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Better now. Finished to read the profile and while personally I think Hajime can do things, since Konro have concept manip Type 1 and this Hajime still don't have it (that will be for a near future when the author explore the astral world in his near arc, though by that point the characters will probably be tier 2), Konro can be above Arifureta in 5-C, I think Ergen and Kagami also lack concept manip Type 1 so he probably could get higher.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
Better now. Finished to read the profile and while personally I think Hajime can do things, since Konro have concept manip Type 1 and this Hajime still don't have it (that will be for a near future when the author explore the astral world in his near arc, though by that point the characters will probably be tier 2), Konro can be above Arifureta in 5-C, I think Ergen and Kagami also lack concept manip Type 1 so he probably could get higher.
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I'm pretty sure Kagami has CM1 as the Owari no Chronicle Series's concepts are of that type, not to mention her technically passive plot-based power nullification so not really confident in winning her for the 1st spot. No idea about Ergen guys

Anyway good luck with whatever that upgrade will be
 
PainKiller07 said:
I'm pretty sure Kagami has CM1 as the Owari no Chronicle Series's concepts are of that type, not to mention her technically passive plot-based power nullification so not really confident in winning her for the 1st spot. No idea about Ergen guys

Anyway good luck with whatever that upgrade will be
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As far I know while Owari have concept manip Type 1 Kagami herself don't have it, though even then iirc her plot is of that depth so maybe a good debate could exist.

While it will be a near upgrade there still will be some time before it, based in the author words like half a year.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
The detail is that the things that spirit magic can do is transmute souls, to for example turn them to dragon souls as show with Tio, so the defenses granted by it also cover something like soul transmutation (as weird as that could sound). There is also the fact that most characters (except Apostles and Fried) also have evolution magic (info manip) to enhance the power of their abilitites and resistances along with interfere with directly affect abstract information (one of evolution magic applications is for example affect the magic power or stats of someone, and in Hajime case he can even make his evolution magic reach the point of eliminate the info of the concept of someone to the point that not even time manip could restore the affected information) which is another thing that would also let them defend against the petrification. And the restoration magic (time manip) is also another thing on top that would make them resist/negate the petrification, because as said Kaori for example have restoration magic that automatically negate anything done to her by making her time go back to before be affected, Shia is also the one with the less affinity with restoration magic and even then the first time she showed her restoration magic was by negating the petrification of her body by rewinding the time of her body (and technically the one who would be used in a tier 6 match is her afterstories key who have a artifact with time manip that automatically resurrect her or heal if detected an anomally), so that's another reason more to believe that the petrification isn't a problem.


In general they have enough reasons to resist/negate/counter the petrification which is the only real win con the Tsuki Ga side have while additionally have themselves various possible win cons.
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If all this is true and they have 10 or so layers of this, plus rewinding and stuff, put them up against Yomoji.

Additonally, the petrification isn't a passive effect (dragon eyes aren't really passive)
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Not true. Alte's is passive and Hatsuharu's is passive. Dragon eyes are like one of the weaksauce petrification, and even that's still passive in the same way Yhwach's Almighty or Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu is passive.
 
YungManzi said:
If all this is true and they have 10 or so layers of this, plus rewinding and stuff, put them up against Yomoji.


Not true. Alte's is passive and Hatsuharu's is passive. Dragon eyes are like one of the weaksauce petrification, and even that's still passive in the same way Yhwach's Almighty or Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu is passive.
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Since Yomoji probably have more room to debate I was thinking in address him in his own versus.

From what I remember Alte need to touch with the lightning to petrify, Hatsuharu petrification indeed is passive do to her physiology, though in her case she now iirc have equipment to seal the petrification and live a normal live with others, dragon eyes also aren't passive do to Tomoe needing to activate them (otherwise she would be petrifying everything in sight).
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
From what I remember Alte need to touch with the lightning to petrify, Hatsuharu petrification indeed is passive do to her physiology, though in her case she now iirc have equipment to seal the petrification and live a normal live with others, dragon eyes also aren't passive do to Tomoe needing to activate them (otherwise she would be petrifying everything in sight).
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1) Yeah, but she has passive lightning aura. So it is indeed a passive at short range.

2) She seals it in normal day life because gorgons couldn't even function in normal society without sealing it, but why would she do that in a fight?

3) That's what I meat by the examples I gave, if you know anything about bleach, Almighty and KS need to be activated; but after activation it just stays on until they deactivate it. Hell, it's actually suggested it's a full on passive given that Tomoe was stated to have been deliberately suppressing her power in that mountain and retroactively activated it when she got serious. It wasn't something she was trying to use as an attack. In other words, her dragon eyes status effects are just the result of her getting serious, and would passively activate via SBA making her take the fight seriously.
 
YungManzi said:
1) Yeah, but she has passive lightning aura. So it is indeed a passive at short range.

2) She seals it in normal day life because gorgons couldn't even function in normal society without sealing it, but why would she do that in a fight?

3) That's what I meat by the examples I gave, if you know anything about bleach, Almighty and KS need to be activated; but after activation it just stays on until they deactivate it. Hell, it's actually suggested it's a full on passive given that Tomoe was stated to have been deliberately suppressing her power in that mountain and retroactively activated it when she got serious. It wasn't something she was trying to use as an attack. In other words, her dragon eyes status effects are just the result of her getting serious, and would passively activate via SBA making her take the fight seriously.
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Well, saw that way could be said to technically be passive, but in this case it would be a distance of 4km so in this context (and most situations) it wouldn't passively affect the other side.

The problem is that at this point is something that she have most of the time with her, is part of her standard equipment, she seal her petrification most of the time so in this case she would need to decide to stop sealing them and unleash their power (is a similar situation to Medusa for example, she passively petrify but most of the time is sealing her petrification).

That sound like what DT mentioned recently in the thread about abilities that aren't really passives because they aren't on all the time, given I honestly don't remember that part about her dragon eyes (probably do to read long ago) so if you send me the scan in private to take a look at it could be better.
 
Satan should solely be granted the 1st 3A now, with AE1 Concept 1 and destructions stuff on that level

1st 3C would be occupied by Characters from Bastard!! since Uriel would definitely stomp Odin now, he is basically a better version of Odin with CM1, and a plethora of other versatile/insta-win hax in addition to having much greater defensive capabilities.
 
Concept hax won't really work on odin. Uriel concept hax is destruction which won't work since odin has high-godly regen
 
Odin's HGR seems to regen on the level of type 3 or 2 concept erasure only, while Uriel's is type 1

And even then Uriel basically possesses this whole arsenal for incap or anything else really, highly doubt if Odin can overcome every single one of them
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Even fodder youkai (currently rated at 8-B+ via upscaling from this) have a passive aura that automatically induces fear, and doing so also automatically triggers spirit manipulation. So The Sorrow has his soul, mind, emotions, stamina, and stats absorbed/obliterated, his powers nulled, regeneration slowed, with all of this negating any potential resistances the instant the fight begins. This is in addition to the spirit manipulation that already triggers on every attack, with all Touhou characters having danmaku that lets them throw out hundreds of attacks simultaneously.
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The soul/mind/emotions/stamina eating being passive is completely wrong so no, they shouldn't be on the list.
 
PainKiller07 said:
Odin's HGR seems to regen on the level of type 3 or 2 concept erasure only, while Uriel's is type 1

And even then Uriel basically possesses this whole arsenal for incap or anything else really, highly doubt if Odin can overcome every single one of them
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concept type doesn`t matter. Its still concept erasure at the end and the magic there is not really impressive against odin
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
Its still concept erasure at the end and the magic there is not really impressive against odin
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wydm, he literally stands and Odin gets passived all around while Odin himself has zero chance to affect Uriel's AE even if we dismiss all of Uri's offensive ability.
You're saying Odin can somehow bypass petrification, numerous methods of sealing, power null and many others? Let's be honest Odin would be awfully incapped one way or another.
 
Also I'm not seeing type 5 immortality or a resistance to Death Manipulation, so Nihilus just shittalks Porno repeatedly and she can't do shit about it
 
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