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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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Just wait. Arnos' stated to be surpass graham's root, and what i want says in this is arnos able to destroy. I dont even says arnos has infinite layer of ability (just wait for this)
Then arnos win because he could erase arceus. Case clear
Just want to clarify something (and just wait for me to make the downgrade CRT)
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Being able to destroy Grahams root doesn’t matter here
No he doesn’t as Arceus passively negates his will to do anything, thus incapping Him, It is inconclusive
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Because??
Can he negate the power that surpass NEP 2, TD 2, and Acausality 5???
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Anos use Graham's nothingness to defend himself and if someone want to affect Anos' source they should be able to interact and overcome Graham's nothingness ando its resistance, which doubt Pokemon can overcome it or even interact with it if the CRT for infinity layers get pass. We are also forgetting the fact that they cannot overcome the resistance itself. Same happened with this thread
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Because it is already assumed and taken into account
It doesn’t surpass them in any meaningful way it merely has the ability to destroy them, which practically every character with those hax can do
he can already interact with it as of right now. And I will ask you some questions is it passively on faster then passives which are faster then passives which null other passives, does it block all things including stuff which spawns on the target, or is Caused by them seeing Arceus. Because if the answer to either of these is no then his nothingness does nothing to help Anos
Pokémon’s stuff is at a much higher level then PMMs stuff and Homuras Mindhax is not passive nor is it near the same speed of passives as Arceus’s stuff
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Yeah but can he overcome Graham's nothingness and Anos' resistance? Interaction is not the only thing you need as overcoming the resistance they have is needed too... The Anos vs Homura thread makes it very clear, and yeah Arceus still have 4-D powers. Practically the outcome is the same as this thread, even if Arceus can interact now, if he is not able to overcome Graham's nothingness resistance and then Anos' source then it is useless. And let it be clear that no matter how fast the passives were (what happened Anos vs Eques) MEoCD didn't care that Eques' passives were faster than MEoCD as it had simply destroyed the reason even before and after being affected.
Edit. Also this doesn't work as Arceus is a Smurf... Type 9 Immortality that relies on a tier 1 being...
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Edit. Also this doesn't work as Arceus is a Smurf... Type 9 Immortality that relies on a tier 1 being...
Already been discussed. The type 9 immortality relies on an ability that is possibly a higher tier, so if we take the lower-end, then it's not a smurf.
Already been discussed. The type 9 immortality relies on an ability that is possibly a higher tier, so if we take the lower-end, then it's not a smurf.
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Actually Arceus nature of Transduality is higher than Anos by a mile. He's literally the type 3 made type 2.
His entire being rejects the idea of division. While Anos still deals in the interplay of dualities, Arceus is beyond it.
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That might change soon
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What do you mean, arnos able to destroy graham root is only a assumed???
And the feats is literally stated he is surpass??? Because he surpass it, then he is able to destroy it
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Bruh if you want says about nonduality/onesess, arnos unbound even it
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This is the explanation
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Anos’s resistence don’t cover the passive I am talking about to the amount of layers required. And again you Did not answer any of my questions on it so I will assume that it does not block his passives from hitting him as simply saying he uses it as a shield means nothing
Also Arceus exists outside of logic as well (technically he exists outside of a duality which has things which ignore logic and things which follow it which is even more impressive)
Arceus is possibly tier 1 as of right now so he isn’t a smurf. Shown by a ton of characters here using their possibly and normal keys at the same time
It‘s assumed for there to even be a fight. If he could not destroy his root Arceus would stomp here. He can so the fight can actually happen
Surpassing it by some undefined level doesn’t mean anything at all. All it means is that Anos>Graham.
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All I'm saying is no two NonDuality entities are not the same across verses
Arceus TD >>>>> Anos
The Heart of Chaos literally dissolves attributes into unity. Harming him is all but useless
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ShivaShakti/Nonduality
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To better understand, Anos is type 2, Arceus is type 3.
Its not official on the wiki, but it gets my point across
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He literally destroy his(graham) root
Yeah arnks graham it self is NEP 2, TD 2, and Aca 5. And he surpass it. And arceus it self it only bassline of those ability. Can arceus even handle the power that surpass that ability??
Yeah and order in general meaning is one, unity and arnos unbound by it. Eques himself is unity of god and order, and arnos able to defeat him
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Type 3 is outerversal only…ShivaShakti/Nonduality
To better understand, Anos is type 2, Arceus is type 3.
Its not official on the wiki, but it gets my point across
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There is an incoming revision, in line with the page linked that wouldn't have type 3 be limited to 1-A and up chars.
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Yes I know
surpassing it again means absolutely nothing here as it doesn’t surpass it to any relevent degree
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Bruh, i ask DT for that and he says without any context nonduality or mention all duality, it cant have TD 2. So even his TD 2 is in question and you want argue him to get TD 3ShivaShakti/Nonduality
To better understand, Anos is type 2, Arceus is type 3.
Its not official on the wiki, but it gets my point across
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There’s also another revision where they’re removing TD 1. Meaning current Td2 will be TD1 and current TD3 will be TD2. Anos and Graham will also qualify for the new TD2. Not only that, but they will far surpass it.
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Huh, we're just waiting for 1-A requirements to be removed from TD to instantly upgrade Anos to Type 3.
Dunno where you get that Anos still have things to do with duality stuffs when it's already stated that they are unbound and beyond order (Law, Concept, Dualities). We even have the order of absurdity that's the opposite of order itself and its different from order itself, so we have duality and nonduality
Anos' source is fused with Graham's nothingness so his source is already covered by nothingness and that nothingness can be used as shield as well, you saying he doesn't have resistance to that specific passive, same happened with Homura, the things is you need to overcome Graham's and anos' resistance to finally affect it... Also don't try that false equivalence with Logic in MG with Logic in Pokemon cus they're nowhere close. All Logic Manipulation feats that MG has are the closest to what actually logic manipulation could be and Pokemon logic is nowhere close.
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Neither Arceus nor Anos will qualify for that Type 3 shiva made if it is what I am thinking it is.
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So? Arnos kill arceus as well
It mean it in higher of the ability that i mention. And arceus is only bassline
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what smurf hax does he have?
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You didn't even ask the question properly
Existing in a state where there's no distinction between the self and reality is Transduality Type 2
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Taiji is type 3
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A shield means nothing, shields can be ignored by spawning behind them. Or by Anos looking at Arceus causing it.
Arceus’s mindhax is above their resistences to it and no just because you say everything is 99 layers does not mean it is true without feats showing it, regardless of the silver seas properties
Logic is still there and is the same even if it isn’t used to the same extent. Just because someone doesn’t use their hax to its fullest extent does not mean there hax is of lower potency
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That type 3 seems to be something beyond infinite-valued logic. That is, they are far more than just "neither 0 or 1", they wouldn't be any number whatsoever, not even infinite.
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That's Taiji tho. If the boundary the seperate two things don't exist, there will be no one and no two
Being transdual over someone of that nature as described above is type 4. They operate under many valued logic.
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What do you mean???
And where you get that??? From the page that even says is typically???
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Your ignorance is why the staff ignored you and agreed to the crt. Do you know more than them?
Okay. There's scarlet king, there's Cognitive physiology, there's lez, check the many transduals, most of them exist in a state of oneness, where they encompasses all attributes
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You know what fused means right? It's like Graham's nothingness is Anos' source. So it's already nothingness until Graham's nothingness is destroyed. Anos didn't resist Homura mindhax but she needed to overcome Anos source first to finally affect him... Which Arceus can't overcome their source as their potency and resistance still above haxs potency in Pokemon (Specifically you need layered CM to overcome Graham and Anos resistance)
Logic is not the same in each verses... in Pokemon case is nowhere close to what the logic in MG is (and neither what logic could be in wiki), as logic in MG is beyond transduality itself even transduality that lacks logic can do nothing more than just gets infinitely destroyed by Venuzdonoa, MEoCD that are beyond the logic (Again just look at the feats of Logic Manip in MG)... Sadly there's no enough characters that have logic manipulation so the page for it cant be created.
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Ehh, i dont says about it dont be strawmaning. I says about what i ask to DT, he says onesses is not transduality
Yeah because "typically exist". But not every onesess is transduality
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Actually, I don't believe Arceus could be quite classified as Type 3.ShivaShakti/Nonduality
To better understand, Anos is type 2, Arceus is type 3.
Its not official on the wiki, but it gets my point across
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Can you check his page pls
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I already did. He is Type 1.
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make the match already
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