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doubt cole can get no 2. Ikki has passive causality hax, Zhong has passive soul hax. I don`t know why mr game and watch is even 1st High 7A. He only has speed
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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Well, if the passive stuff is instantaneously lethal then maybe we should just take Smash from the list.
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I have questions about these listings
1. What pokemon specifically are the primary runners for Pokemon, Final Fantasy and Puella Magi?
2. Should Lavos' rating be reevaluated given he has been through very recent upgrades?
3. Shouldn't M be higher? He has Acausal 5 and no one in Final Fantsay (to my knowledge) can deal with that and should be out of Lavos' capabilities of handling
4. Can another character/verse share the #5 Spot with Pokemon if they Incon the Primary runners of Pokemon?
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1. Arceus, Exdeath, Homura
2. Not really. He still has a 2A key and nothing has changed
3. M just incons FF. He can't do anything to them.
4. Yes
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^To give a more detailed answer;
1: The Creation Trio (True forms), The Void plus any character who has these and tragic girl trio (concepts). (Avatar) Arceus is a smurf due to type 9.
2. Not off the top of my head since his updated profile still shows him to be a slightly worst Neo-Exdeath (as someone who actually knows both verses they came from quite well and even did a Vs thread with them), I don't think much has changed tbh but I might be overlooking some minor details.
3. Strongest =/= Hardest to kill or affect, need I remind you what happened to a certain llama last year before his major buffs? Without type 5 M is still quite haxxed but many 2-As beat him with passives and layered BS hence his placement.
4.Yes but only if they can affect them or have some kind of win-con (like winning if speed is unequalised). An incon sponge (someone whose significantly less haxxed/powerful than their peers but has one or two defensive abilities that makes them near impossible to kill or affect) won't be added for exactly the same points made above. Tl:dr; you need offensive type 1 Conceptual Manipulation, type 1 AE based on a type 1 concept and NPI that can interact with type 1 AE (concept) as well as some forms of NEP at the bare minimum to be considered a candidate. I usually use this as the gatekeeper, if a normie can't beat her then I highly doubt they'll make it into the top 5 imo.
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Well we can either choose or ignore ''possibly'' ratings iirc
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Actually is not the case, since avatar Arceus can still have type 9 based on true Arceus since true Arceus isn't wholly tier 1 and as such avatarceus can be in 2-A while its true form is also 2-A
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Hmmm... I thought that only applied to Vs threads? Where ratings/P&A that are possibly can be removed, if this is the case for top 5 lists then tactfulness needs to be expressly shown since it'll be all too easy to start cherrypicking.
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About THIS in particular
I dont know if you have seen it or missed it but some time ago I made a Q&A and got multiple staff involved. I asked about the General Consensus of Plot, Information (Type 2) and Concept Manipulation (Type 1) and if BY DEFAULT STANDARDS (meaning excluding if the verse itself makes it specific) their is a Hierarchy in which one is rated higher than the other or if they should all be deemed equal until proven otherwise by the verse
The Latter was ultimately agreed upon and then I asked about how would all three being equal come into play when facing Conceptual, Information and Plot based Abstractions. It was then decided that the default standard would be that these forms of fundamental (plot, info, concept) hax can interact and affect any and all forms of abstractions unless the verse itself point out that their is a hierarchy of one being above the other.
Here is the Q and A if you have not seen it then Here it is
If you have altering opinions then please share your thoughts
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... True ig
Not sure about Plot but by default info type 2 should definitely be inferior to concepts type 1, as the latter is basically the former with the independence from the reality they govern/affect.
Tbh I can't really see the difference between Info and Concept manip Type 2
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My question now becomes
IF IT IS ACCEPTED that the General Consensus is that BY DEFAULT Plot, Info 2 and Concept 1 are equal and each can equally affect and destroy any form of Abstraction
Then would characters with Strong enough Plot and Info hax be able to Affect and Destroy the True Forms of the Creation Trio
Again
This is if the All of them being equal is accepted as the General Consensus
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Tbh that Q&A was one giant headache that I wanted NOTHING to do with and simple put it's a gross oversimplification of verse equalization imo. It's a blatant NLF to assume character A with CM can affect the someone B whose the "plot" when plot manipulation doesn't even exist in character As verse (just because both are "abstract") and it really screws up the NPI standards (E.g we don't assume someone who can interact with those with elemental intangibility can also harm others with spatial intangibility if they have zero feats of doing so, despite both being classified as intangible same difference with the abstractions).
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Lololololololol
It's just a Q and A lolol. Nothing to be hesitant or afraid of Lolol
Lolololololol
I get what your saying and see what you mean
So basically your opinion would be that their all equal in their own setting but diverse in the fact neither power can interact nor affect each other without the proper feats???
Lololol Im quite aware and no shade taken
I was planning on making a continuation staff discussion thread afterwards just to get the decisive conclusion agreed upon.
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"Lololol Im quite aware and no shade taken
I was planning on making a continuation staff discussion thread afterwards just to get the decisive conclusion agreed upon.
Also I'm not a DUDE but whatevs Lolol
No harm, no foul, I wish you well in your future threads.
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Hmmm
Corruption varies a lot, radiation shouldn't be that much of a problem, Ning has a bit of resistance to mind hax.
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Reading the profile he shouldn't even be a candidate for the tier as he isn't physically 6-B, only his primal twin is which shouldn't count for a character being in a tier for our purposes
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Talking about 6-B some hours ago I did a Calyrex vs a Arifureta character.
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So who was gonna be 5th strongest High 7-A char again?
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look like he doesn`t well slime replaces bleach in 6B then
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Akashic is 7-D right?
Kamen Rider god tier is about to be, at least, 8-D and 9-D at highest.
Kamen Rider god tier is about to be, at least, 8-D and 9-D at highest.
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The list doesn't care about that however, it cares about the base character's physical stats so he wouldn't count
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It is the base stat, that's like saying Shadow can't have a spot because he is Sonic's clone or something like that.
There is a difference between base stats and original body which i think should be obvious, the list needs the former and there is nothing against the second.
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Seem like the Arifureta side stomp, so they should be above Calirex, regarding Bleach the Arifureta characters resist their soul crush so unless there is something big else I miss they ahould be put above them without a match (though I can do one if needed).
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Bebe while coming from a chinese novel, its novel verse is from a western/dnd inspired themes/concepts. And no, they just have lots of soul/law hax cause that's how their verse usually works, they don't have that much muh higher dimensions till later in series if at all.
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I have no problemtechnically Dante is a Chinamen so he also will get banned
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This is a tough one, it almost sounds like the issue with summons. I'd prefer that both this character and summons be allowed since they get that tier physically, but idk how we rule on that in general.
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What the heck Kamen rider 9-D now?
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Yee, quite a glow up from 2-A.
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Like, i get if people don't want Ning's Primaltwin and Summons to fight alongside their Original/Summoner if they aren't in the same tier, but i am also pretty sure Ning and most relevant summons are able to take the spot on their own if they are being suggested at all.
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What do you mean with "pseudo-passive"?
In any case, thanks to the bunny dolls, Time should rewind to before the battle should Bunny be killed and I would think, due to the lack of knowledge, that would happen if the empathic thing works.
If Bunny gets a chance to act, she can do her eternal time stop and start burning him with fire kicks or something.
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Why aren't all the gatekeepers for each Tier Listed?
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