Do we accept that this just negs Omnipresence far beyond his range? All of Hero's stuff is only accepted to be: "Several meters with most hax." Azashiro can become omnipresent over thousands of km to interdimensional ranges.
That isn't exactly the case here as normal humans indeed have plot hax that can only affect lower-dimensional stuff (i.e things considered fictional to them), while Shiro's plot hax scales directly to her dimensionality based on the above reasoning.
This would be another Concept vs Plot debate, which I am not a fan of. Though in this case regenerating from the destruction of type 1 concepts seems good enough to overcome the effect (end) brought by Epilogue (yes it ends the story which includes type 1 concept).
being able to regenerate from concept erasure does not equate to other methods of being erased that grants high godly
I don't think "physical" size like that would matter for something like mindhax. If the consciousness is in range at all it should work.Do we accept that this just negs Omnipresence far beyond his range? All of Hero's stuff is only accepted to be: "Several meters with most hax." Azashiro can become omnipresent over thousands of km to interdimensional ranges.
If it does, then
not really? all types you mentioned result in the same exact thing. the character being erased out of all its fundamental aspects (execpt for history erasure maybe? cus type 1 concepts are independent of time thus they would still exist in the event of history erasure). there cannot be anything left to regen from because then it simply wouldnt be high godly. high godly requires absolutely nothing left of you in order to get it. thus they need to negate it inorder to kill the character
hmmm i couldnt find the part where that is stated.
they also got 9D passives to retaliate with. and it doesnt seem that this plot ability can offer defense so
The last story part
Again they don't have feats of interacting with AE1 based on a phenomenon/system that ends stories and the story/narrative/plot itself
okay i see
they can destroy each others souls which are AE1. so they can deal with abstract entities you don't need feats of affecting specific concepts inorder to affect them. you just need to affect a concept similar to them in abstraction IE the same type. if what you said is the case then she wouldn't even be able to affect demons at all cus their AE1 is specific only to them individually
I'm late and busy but going by this logic she ain't interacting with them either since souls are more abstract and conceptual/important than names which are concepts type 1
this doesn't make sense at all. Would that mean Zeno can erase DMC souls since he did the same thing with IZ, who has the same type of AE (1) with dmc souls, even if they are even more abstract than type 1 concepts while the latter is just a pure will?
Isn't this how it is supposed to work? We compare types/levels of abstraction not just being the same type of AE means you can affect everything. By that logic, ppl who can interact with consciousness will also able to harm concepts given they are the same type of AE
Chinese power>Japanese power
Beerus always lost to Dante tho, it was the DB fans that kept throwing stuff to the wall to see what they could do against the might of the Hobo
wait. are you saying her AE isnt concept related? cus that does not make any sense
it is plot/story related, which in any way doesn't prevent one from being abstract. Are you saying AE has to be based on concepts?
It wouldn't be tho? From my understanding, to affect an omnipresent, you need to be able to affect them in it's entirety, which in this case, Hero can't do.
how does being a part of a system that has plot manip make you abstract in any way? being abstract just means you are an Idea or a thought that cannot be touched by normal means. like a concept or information or just pure thought for example. how does being a plot device make you an abstract thing in anyway? there has to be another thing linked to it. otherwise she should not have AE at all.
Bump this
That's totally wrong though, she isn't a part of it or something but is the system/story itself as a whole
that's what i meant yes
because a story isnt an abstract thing. it's not an idea or a thought. at its basis it's just a series of events that take place within a specific amount of time at best you could argue it's a thought that ppl tell each other in some cases. though in this a story seems to be a setting. so yeah that should not give you AE by itself.
i just said. a story is nothing more than a series of events that happen within a specific timeframe. all of that can definitely be interacted with via normal means. the thing you're referring to is an imaginary story that is told to somebody. which can definitely qualify as a thought. thus be abstract that way but it's not its own thing
abt Issac, he should not be on 9-A anymore, issac being 9-A and on the list was before the mama mega calc came out and we had a value to scale mid to end game issac to, issac for 9-A only has the shit in his first key so he really shouldn't be on here, if anything I'll throw him into 8-B to see where he goes
They are smurf
I swear googles autocorrect sends me to the wrong forums so many times.
You not are alone, Bro
I don't understand why the listed resistance to mind manip is actually resistance. I don't remember every verse where consciousness is involved with the soul getting resistance like that.
That seems like it'd cause a shuffle of the list. Passive OHKO would clearly incap most Medaka Box characters. The only question mark would be Iihiko. I suspect that most of Isaac's stuff would be close enough to Medaka Box's skills to get power nulled, but I'm not 100% sure. If enough stuff gets nulled for him to not get passively killed, he'd be able to outspeed and kill. In speed equal it becomes another question of whether Isaac's stuff could get nulled.
After a talk with Agnaa, Isaac should take this speed equal against Iihiko, the rest die, in speed equal, Isaac wins as although decent chunks of his kit would get negged he still wins as he access to
Iirc their mind in not present in their physical body, to affect their mind you need to affect thier astral body or in some cases directly soul. Physical body>Spiritual body>Astral body> Soul.
Well I would post the scan since it is not there From Volume 9, this is just the basic of the skill because he was just dropped into this world, there are few more scans on the profile as well and i need to go through different-different volume to find other feat but thats a little hard thing to do and about the love, the whole thing about him is that wherever he visits people will love him.
Bump?
