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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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ImmortalDread said:
Transcendental rest to tiering system, the whole tiering system is based on space-time. Not everything need to explicitly stated to get this conclusion
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Yeah?
And what? The space-time should have greater infinity to reach the higher tier. And BDE is what happen when you beyond that Space-Time.
ImmortalDread said:
That was not the argument


Raikih, there is nothing that indicates the untouchable status.
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BDE type 2 means you exist beyond space-time in a superior manner
Beyond space-time Is where the law of physics and energy break down, where you exist beyond the temporal dimension. Where you don't even restricted by coordinates of the matrix and the flow of time. Where you are no longer caged by any measurement of time and space in a spatial and temporal manner.
Now tell me.
How can someone without any feats affecting being beyond space-time affect BDE type 2? While they still exist inside the coordinates matrix of three-dimensional space and time?
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Ma boi for 1st 6-B.
BDE type 2, Aca 1, 2 and 4, AE 1, passive Fate Manip, AD that increases in Battle. Imo 8 from another dimension, Dimensional Travel.
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BDE sounds pretty smurfy as a power lol.

I'm also pretty sure "World" in the verse is like a Low 2-C to Low 1-C structure, so manipulating the fate of the world is a smurf feat.
 
Mori Dan should probably replace Prime Soul King in Low 2-C.

He has 4-D resistance to Fate Manipulation + Acausality Type 4, 4-D Fate Manipulation of his own, several forms of Power Nullification/Power Mimicry and Evolution, and 4-D passive aura that makes his opponents want to completely submit to him, which extends to people fused with the opponent's mind, body, and soul, as well as to people in separate points of time.
 
azontr said:
Mori Dan should probably replace Prime Soul King in Low 2-C.

He has 4-D resistance to Fate Manipulation + Acausality Type 4, 4-D Fate Manipulation of his own, several forms of Power Nullification/Power Mimicry and Evolution, and 4-D passive aura that makes his opponents want to completely submit to him, which extends to people fused with the opponent's mind, body, and soul, as well as to people in separate points of time.
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Make vs thread bro
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Yeah?
And what? The space-time should have greater infinity to reach the higher tier. And BDE is what happen when you beyond that Space-Time.

BDE type 2 means you exist beyond space-time in a superior manner
Beyond space-time Is where the law of physics and energy break down, where you exist beyond the temporal dimension. Where you don't even restricted by coordinates of the matrix and the flow of time. Where you are no longer caged by any measurement of time and space in a spatial and temporal manner.
Now tell me.
How can someone without any feats affecting being beyond space-time affect BDE type 2? While they still exist inside the coordinates matrix of three-dimensional space and time?
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All thos talk about BDE 2. This is being superior to space-time, a.k.a 4D. Whys isn't this smurf.
Another thing, it only makes you immune to abilities that affect space-time which are space-time manipulation, time manipulation and spatial manipulation.
According to SBA, they'll start 4km away from each other. If he goes beyond space-time, he'd need smurf range to affect his opponent. Interdimensional + planetary doesn't cut it so once again, how isn't this smurf?

Regarding taking spots, his passive fate manipulation doesn't do anything so he gets the sacred eclipse treatment (useless till it does something of note).
 
Though, I do ask, what puts White Face above Soul King? Nothing on White Face's profile seems like anything that would defeat Soul King even with his unrevised profile, and the only thing going for it seems to be High-Godly.
 
What thoughts/passives does the White Queen have which make them the reasons why she’s one of the stronger characters here?
 
azontr said:
Though, I do ask, what puts White Face above Soul King? Nothing on White Face's profile seems like anything that would defeat Soul King even with his unrevised profile, and the only thing going for it seems to be High-Godly.
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White Face should be in a higher position, but I never did any match to put him higher.
His starting moves are powerful EE and Conceptual Manipulation, while his High Godly Regen, Immortality Type 8 and Nep Type 1 makes him ridicoulously hard to kill. From the look of it he might be able to reach higher places, but I don't have time to debate matches so I never bothered to make them.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
What thoughts/passives does the White Queen have which make them the reasons why she’s one of the stronger characters here?
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Why everyone suddenly challenges all my characters at once
You mean the Bloodsign one, right?
I think her only passive is her Charisma, if I am not forgetting anything, which is pretty damn good. Oh, that and summoning countless gods as fodder. Have some hax, though.
If she gets serious she also automatically manifests AoE powernull. GIven her precog, she knows when to be serious.
Aside from that she (or rather her dress, automatically on its own, regardless of whether the WQ wants it) starts by spamming like a trillion of automatically fighting weapons at the opponent, which each erase matter, energy, space, time, laws, souls and information. Everything the WQ does is additionally not reversible via time stuff and those killed by her can't be revived, be it via resurrection, pulling versions form other timelines or the past, or by rewriting the laws of nature to resurrect them.
And beyond that she can follow up with time travel instant death curses (can hit you in the past and have reactive evolution to overcome powernull), rewrite the past, physical and non-physical mind control, time stop, law manip etc.
And, well, beyond that she is just a pain in the ass to permanently kill and has some good resistances.
 
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hippoishungry said:
1. Ji Ning

2. Ard

3. Kamen Rider Ark-Zero

4. Characters from Bleach

5. Sousei no Onmyouji (Rokuro Enmadou, Sakanashi and Benio Enmado)
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Slight issue with the ordering. Ji Ning’s high 6-C keys have no counter to:

Ard’s Existence erasure, his power null, his immo type 8, can destroy souls, sealing

Sakanashi’s Existence erasure, Corrosion/Curse/Density/Unholy yin energy
Rokuros's Time manip, Decon, Extreme Heat, Power null, and energy control

Zommari's Amor also should be able to incap him though im unsure if incap is accepted for being put above, cant think of any one else

Ark Zero's madness type 3

I propose

1. Ard

2. Kame Rider

3. Bleach

4. Sousei characters

5. Ji Ning
 
DontTalkDT said:
Why everyone suddenly challenges all my characters at once
You mean the Bloodsign one, right?
I think her only passive is her Charisma, if I am not forgetting anything, which is pretty damn good. Oh, that and summoning countless gods as fodder. Have some hax, though.
If she gets serious she also automatically manifests AoE powernull. GIven her precog, she knows when to be serious.
Aside from that she (or rather her dress, automatically on its own, regardless of whether the WQ wants it) starts by spamming like a trillion of automatically fighting weapons at the opponent, which each erase matter, energy, space, time, laws, souls and information. Everything the WQ does is additionally not reversible via time stuff and those killed by her can't be revived, be it via resurrection, pulling versions form other timelines or the past, or by rewriting the laws of nature to resurrect them.
And beyond that she can follow up with time travel instant death curses (can hit you in the past and have reactive evolution to overcome powernull), rewrite the past, physical and non-physical mind control, time stop, law manip etc.
And, well, beyond that she is just a pain in the ass to permanently kill and has some good resistances.
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By the description of her Charisma, this feels like some form of Mind Manipulation. Has it affected robots before?
 
Arkenis said:
Slight issue with the ordering. Ji Ning’s high 6-C keys have no counter to:

Ard’s Existence erasure, his power null, his immo type 8, can destroy souls, sealing

Sakanashi’s Existence erasure, Corrosion/Curse/Density/Unholy yin energy
Rokuros's Time manip, Decon, Extreme Heat, Power null, and energy control

Zommari's Amor also should be able to incap him though im unsure if incap is accepted for being put above, cant think of any one else

Ark Zero's madness type 3

I propose

1. Ard

2. Kame Rider

3. Bleach

4. Sousei characters

5. Ji Ning
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Which of these are passives or thought-based? Because barring Ark Zero, if nothing else is a passive, then he can at the very least incon them via thought-based soul destruction.
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
Guardians are scary if pissed off, though wouldn’t the carnival queen be higher or no? She was said to possibly above them.
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She is, I still have to give her scans in terms of Hax and resistance her but In terms of Hax and immortalities she's not as crazy as Guardians who have like 3 different Type 8 Layers and a tons of bullshit related to their concepts and Quantum mnemonics
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
She is, I still have to give her scans in terms of Hax and resistance her but In terms of Hax and immortalities she's not as crazy as Guardians who have like 3 different Type 8 Layers and a tons of bullshit related to their concepts and Quantum mnemonics
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udl who is already working on a carnival queen profile:
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Which of these are passives or thought-based? Because barring Ark Zero, if nothing else is a passive, then he can at the very least incon them via thought-based soul destruction.
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Sakanashi’s ee is thought based his other stuff is passive, his power null is passive too. Ards erasure is through some light being summoned under a person, then his other ee is from a sword. And Zommari’s ability isnt passive though I don’t believe Ji Ning has higher layers for soul manipulation not to mention soul crush as well.

And I don’t believe Ji Ning insta starts with soul destruction but it shouldn’t matter much
 
Psychomaster35 said:
By the description of her Charisma, this feels like some form of Mind Manipulation. Has it affected robots before?
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It's explicitly not supernatural, so no it isn't mind manipulation. It's just crazy good social influencing.

In that regard, whether something is a robot or not isn't the main problem. It's more about whether this being is capable of considering a person charming/beautiful or not. So, like, a random computer won't get affected but something like WALL·E, which has such emotions, might.
 
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