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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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Dereck03 said:
Your claims either accepting or rejecting what he says a lot is misinformation, and even more so now with more wank that appeared out of nowhere while I was a few days away from the wiki.
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bro i am certain you're talking about someone else
 
Dereck03 said:
Your claims either accepting or rejecting what he says a lot is misinformation, and even more so now with more wank that appeared out of nowhere while I was a few days away from the wiki.
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Noneless21 said:
while I know it's Fate manipulation, their Fate manipulation honestly sounds a lot familiar like Arifureta peeps' plot manip resistance
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That being restricted inside painting tho, don't know if this applies to the real world. It's plot manip and not fate manip.
Yet most of them still don't have an answer to Yuuto BDE type 2 and interdimensional range lol.
And since Yuuto is one of the most badass and original (the games released in 2004 lol) isekai characters. He wins automatically against badly written power fantasy isekai.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
That being restricted inside painting tho, don't know if this applies to the real world. It's plot manip and not fate manip.
Yet most of them still don't have an answer to Yuuto BDE type 2 and interdimensional range lol.
And since Yuuto is one of the most badass and original (the games released in 2004 lol) isekai characters. He wins automatically against badly written power fantasy isekai.
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BDE doesn't automatically untouchable, and Hajime had Interdimensional travel

and it's not really a painting? it's more like a pseudo artifact with a miniature world in it ig, @Expectro2000xxx know this more than I do
 
Noneless21 said:
BDE doesn't automatically untouchable, and Hajime had Interdimensional travel

and it's not really a painting? it's more like a pseudo artifact with a miniature world in it ig, @Expectro2000xxx know this more than I do
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His BDE is type 2 bruh, completely transcends Space-Time in its entirety.
Still no answer to his BDE type 2 and immortality type 8.
When Yuuto going to leave the world Hajime can't even remember him lol, because all memories about Eternals are erased the moment they leave the world. And no, it's not even working on mind manip. It works on Acausality.
 
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Rakih_Elyan said:
His BDE is type 2 bruh, completely transcends Space-Time in its entirety.
Still no answer to his BDE type 2 and immortality type 8.
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i seriously don't get why BDE type 2 means he's untouchable, it only means he's immune to space-time manipulation judging from the BDE description in vsbw, and Immo type 8 can be easily handled with incapping
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
🗿 :ROFLMAO:
Since when HDE can interact with TD 3?
Here read the freakin page bruh.
Also anos have HDE (he doesn't even have HDE bruh, how?), Xue Ying and Anos are both 6D, HDE means shit here.
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Higher-Dimensional Existence

A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions. Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of...
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Anos does not have HDE but he smashed (one tapped/no diffed) someone who has HDE.
 
Noneless21 said:
i seriously don't get why BDE type 2 means he's untouchable, it only means he's immune to space-time manipulation judging from the BDE description in vsbw, and Immo type 8 can be easily handled with incapping
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What makes Arifureta characters can touch him when he going beyond space and time? explain to me.
Hajime don't even resist memory manip, the memory manip in question work on Acausality lol, not on mind manip.
 
Just wait until Yuuto scales to the third game's cast lol. So I can move him to the Smurf list.
For now he is 1st 6-B.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
What makes Arifureta characters can touch him when he going beyond space and time? explain to me.
Hajime don't even resist memory manip, the memory manip in question work on Acausality lol, not on mind manip.
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first of all, Hajime resist Divine Edict, which is a supreme version of spirit magic that deals with memory and shit
Spirit Magic: The ability to interfere with souls. The more precise definition of spirit magic is magic that manipulates the incorporeal elements of sentient beings. In more concrete terms, it could be used to manipulate the heat, electricity, and other energy without matter that circulated within a person’s body. That also included things like memories, thoughts, and consciousness. With enough skill, a spirit magic user could take those incorporeal elements, duplicate them, and create a new soul out of them. In other words, create another person.
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second of all, wtf you mean by memory manip that can affect acausality

third of all, why the hell being BDE means you automatically untouchable? because they transcend time and space but not necessarily qualitatively above them? Character from Isekai At Peace transcend time and space too but they're 100% interactable

i really don't wanna pull the "proof being BDE in their verse means they're untouchable" card but imma pull it
 
Noneless21 said:
second of all, wtf you mean by memory manip that can affect acausality
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It works on the principle of causality lol, it can erase his memory through causality, not mind manipulation. as simple as that.
Noneless21 said:
third of all, why the hell being BDE means you automatically untouchable? because they transcend time and space but not necessarily qualitatively above them?
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You are using this card then?
Okay.
Celestial_Pegasus said:
BDE type 2 as well since they both lack space-time, and also transcend it.
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This is what celestial pegasus says.
This is type 1 on wiki
Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them.
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See the difference?
Type 1 is not superior, type 2 is superior.
Here scan if you still think it's bullshit.
 
This does not grant untouchable status, the only verified nature/abilities that makes you untouchable without having feats is Acausality type 5, TD type 2 and higher, NEP 2.

BDE is not included and never listed to be one. Being immune to time/space hax is nothing impressive (I mean ya, not in that level of impression)
 
ImmortalDread said:
BDE is not included and never listed to be one.
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Still, how you can reach someone beyond space and time without beyond space and time yourself? And the character itself it's superior than Spacetime? I just want to know the answer bruh, cause it is stupid.
It is not zero dimensionality or type 1 BDE mind you. It is superior to the space-time itself.
ImmortalDread said:
without having feats
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The things is, Yuuto does have feats.
 
Deceived3596 said:
What exactly do the Senshi from Sailor Moon have that place them above people like Balancer, Zhong Yue, Announcer and Ji Ning?
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being outdated asf
Nothing really, once I've mentioned they're not adequate for the top 5. They should at least have a draw against the guy in 8th though according to his profile.

Delta333 said:
Konron in 1st spot of 5-B should be changed to "Characters from Bastard!!" as the Seraphs are 5-B too and they have pretty much similar hax.

I also suggest to change Satan in 2nd spot of 3-A to something like Satan (Bastard!!) as this is a common name in fiction.
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This. Also, their 3C spot should specify the contenders are Dark Schneider and Uriel.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Still, how you can reach someone beyond space and time without beyond space and time yourself? And the character itself it's superior than Spacetime? I just want to know the answer bruh, cause it is stupid.
It is not zero dimensionality or type 1 BDE mind you. It is superior to the space-time itself.
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It's literally immunity bro, not that impressive.
 
ImmortalDread said:
It's literally immunity bro, not that impressive.
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Now bear with me.
How can someone interact with a being that exists beyond space-time and is superior to it? Without being beyond space-time itself? I didn't ask you for the definition inside the wiki. I ask you, that.
I'm going to try to create CRT for this, so I may need your opinion.
I swear to Allah that you are just dodging my question.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
It works on the principle of causality lol, it can erase his memory through causality, not mind manipulation. as simple as that.
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Memory Manipulation (When an Eternal leaves a world, all memories of them are erased[8])
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i don't see anything related to causality based memory manip here, even if it is, Arifureta peeps can naturally sense that they're fighting an opponent because of their enhanced sense
Rakih_Elyan said:
Type 1 is not superior, type 2 is superior.
Here scan if you still think it's bullshit.
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I don't think it's bullshit, and frankly, I don't care, I'm just wondering why BDE = untouchable
 
Noneless21 said:
i don't see anything related to causality based memory manip here, even if it is, Arifureta peeps can naturally sense that they're fighting an opponent because of their enhanced sense
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They are themselves, they cannot remain in people's memories because their pasts are erased, it is causality.
Noneless21 said:
I don't think it's bullshit, and frankyl, I don't care, I'm just wondering why BDE = untouchable
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Rakih_Elyan said:
Now bear with me.
How can someone interact with a being that exists beyond space-time and is superior to it? Without being beyond space-time itself? I didn't ask you for the definition inside the wiki. I ask you, that.
I'm going to try to create CRT for this, so I may need your opinion.
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Rakih_Elyan said:
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They are themselves, they cannot remain in people's memories because their pasts are erased, it is causality.
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Okay, their memory is causality based, still can't see why Hajime ain't load him with bullets, given that he have pretty good sense on who's his enemy and who's not

and it ain't gonna make difference until you make discussion for it
 
Here more context:
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Their information are erased in the entire time.
Noneless21 said:
Okay, their memory is causality based, still can't see why Hajime ain't load him with bullets, given that he have pretty good sense on who's his enemy and who's not
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What makes him immune to planetary range fate manip? Bruh, how can Hajime detect someone that cannot be perceived by memory, causlity and information? Yuuto also has 10 times amp.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Now bear with me.
How can someone interact with a being that exists beyond space-time and is superior to it? Without being beyond space-time itself? I didn't ask you for the definition inside the wiki. I ask you, that.
I'm going to try to create CRT for this, so I may need your opinion.
I swear to Allah that you are just dodging my question.
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Mate this exact question can be asked to 1-A beings. They are also "beyond space and time" beings.
 
ImmortalDread said:
1-A beings. They are also "beyond space and time" beings.
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They have type 2 BDE bruh.
Also, 1-A rating are because of their Infinity level. Not a "beyond space and time" thing. Hell even someone can be beyond 3-D structures without any larger structure beyond them to qualify for BDE. And yet HDE that is higher than 3-D can still kick their ass
And yet again you dodge my question. Why?
 
No, not every 1-A being has BDE type 2 automatically, this has been removed lol

Also, 1-A is actually other word for "beyond space-time".
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Here more context:
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Their information are erased in the entire time.

What makes him immune to planetary range fate manip? Bruh, how can Hajime detect someone that cannot be perceived by memory, causlity and information? Yuuto also has 10 times amp.
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like i already said, his fate manip's description sounds a lot like what Hajime capable of resisting via his plot resistance, and you honestly thought he need to know what he's fighting against? he already deal with people who can erase his presence so much that people just forgot about him

If he can perceive his enemy the normal way, i don't see why he didn't just load him with bullets or even incap him because madness manip

Plus, wdym by "cannot be perceived by memory, causality and information"?
 
ImmortalDread said:
No, not every 1-A being has BDE type 2 automatically, this has been removed lol

Also, 1-A is actually other word for "beyond space-time".
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1-A: Transcendent​

Characters or objects that functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System. These characters are completely transcendent to even those that have absolute power over a single infinite hierarchy of levels of infinity.

Low 1-A: Low Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions greater than the set of natural numbers, meaning in simple terms that the number of dimensions is aleph-1 (An uncountably infinite number, assumed to be the cardinality of the real numbers themselves), and therefore that such objects fully exceed High 1-B structures, which have only a countably infinite number of dimensions. More information on the concept is available on this page.

Note that, if the High 1-B structure in question is a hierarchy of levels of existence, then simply being at the top of such a hierarchy does not qualify a character for this tier without more context, and an additional layer added on top of the "infinity-th" level of this hierarchy is likewise not enough. To qualify as an equivalent of the above description, they need to surpass the hierarchy as a whole, and not simply be on another level within it.

1-A: Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2, which in practical terms also equals a level that completely exceeds Low 1-A structures to the same degree that they exceed High 1-B and below. This can be extrapolated to larger cardinal numbers as well, such as aleph-3, aleph-4, and so on, and works in much the same way as 1-C and 1-B in that regard. Characters that stand an infinite number of steps above baseline 1-A are to have a + modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+).

High 1-A: High Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures that are larger than what the logical framework defining 1-A and below can allow, and as such exceed any possible number of levels contained in the previous tiers, including an infinite or uncountably infinite number. Practically speaking, this would be something completely unreachable to any 1-A hierarchies.

A concrete example of such a structure would be an inaccessible cardinal, which in simple terms is a number so large that it cannot be reached ("accessed") by smaller numbers, and as such has to be "assumed" to exist in order to be made sense of or defined in a formal context (Unlike the standard aleph numbers, which can be straightforwardly put together using the building blocks of set theory). Even just the amount of infinite cardinals between the first inaccessible cardinal and aleph-2 (Which defines 1-A) is greater than cardinals such as aleph-0, aleph-1, aleph-2, aleph-3, etc., and even many aleph numbers whose index is an infinite ordinal..
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Bullshit, where the **** is Beyond space-time bullshit you spouting? There is only infinity levels here.
ImmortalDread said:
No, not every 1-A being has BDE type 2 automatically, this has been removed lol
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If someone have BDE and he is 1-A then he have BDE on 1-A scale. Here is from BDE page.
These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown.
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How the hell is this even hard to understand?
Noneless21 said:
he already deal with people who can erase his presence so much that people just forgot about him
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Dude, this is not just erasing his presence.
Memories, Information, History, and Yuuto Causality are ******* Gone. Erased, No non-eternal can actually perceive him.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Bullshit, where the **** is Beyond space-time bullshit you spouting? There is only infinity levels here.
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Transcendental rest to tiering system, the whole tiering system is based on space-time. Not everything need to explicitly stated to get this conclusion
Rakih_Elyan said:
If someone have BDE and he is 1-A then he have BDE on 1-A scale. Here is from BDE page.
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That was not the argument


Raikih, there is nothing that indicates the untouchable status.
 
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