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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation

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Jozaysmith? said:
Not saying this out of spite but ainchase should be removed from his post, he went through revision of the removal of certain abilities and how it is without scan, context, reference or any other sort of justification, so since that's so we would just like to take bro place, because even if you left his abilities there he doesn't seem capable of beating Velda
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I don't particularly care about Ain's placement or his profile/verse anymore, but did you read that thread? The OP there had no idea what he was talking about and one of the first posts clarifies that.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
In Low 5-B, Adam dies to Wei Shi Lindon 7 layers type 1 Passive Conceptual Void Manip.


5-A same reason as above. Lindon should be able to handle Xue Ying.

1 layers 4-A fodders, Lindon slap these guys.

3-A. Almost same abilities as Konron, dies to Lindon.
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Bumping this.
 
I've updated the list.

I have removed the following characters:

Ainchase Ishmael: Reasoning: His profile is incredibly out-of-date, and lacks scans supporting any of his abilities. It's a definitional "trust me bro" profile, so it isn't suitable for this list.

Mummy the Resurrection: Reasoning: Just like above, his profile is out-of-date, and from what I have heard, the verse is going through a massive revision in the "future." Which, if that's the case, it's better to wait until that revision occurs and the profile possibly being revised instead of just allowing it to sit on the list as a placeholder.

If your requested changes weren't made, it's probably because you need to make a verse match, you didn't link me the profile, or you didn't provide a sufficient enough argument for why your change should be made.
 
Free spot in number 10 2-A, I remember a match between discord and someone i guess that person can take the 10th spot since discord prolly won that fight and it was very close
 
Should Koriel get higher spot in Low 2-C?? At least spot 5
Seeing his profile he has AE1 on Information (Type 2), and also CM1 and Information (Type 2) hax.
 
The Player (Pixel Gun 3D) for the empty spot in 4-B. Through Abstract Existence and Incorporeality by being made of raw information as well as their endless resurrection upon death (Even from soul destruction) within a few seconds as long as Cubic’s Network is still around, killing them for good is essentially difficult. Especially with the fact that all of their attacks have Type 2 Information Manipulation, and that the they have access to various haxes in which some of them can induce statuses that can bypass durability (Even on raw information beings).
 
Mimic for 10 in 10-C. Its extremely hard to put down due to being an artificial intelligence program and has a variety of ways of getting around its low A.P and also subjective reality.
 
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Positron

Positron is the current leader of the Freedom Phalanx and one of the Surviving Eight While working for Crey Industries, Dr. Raymond Keyes developed a high-tech battle suit that allowed him to channel bolts of anti-matter into fierce attacks. The suit, developed under the false pretense of being...
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Positron for the #7 spot in 8-C.

A wall of Resistances, and Radiation that can instantly incapacitate people with gestures or blasts make him a force to be reckoned with... oh, and by the by, Antimatter explosion if he's killed. And considering like 3 people resist Antimatter Manipulation besides him in 8-C...

"Characters from Katana Zero (Zero, Fifteen and Headhunter)"
If I recall these are the guys who reverse time on death, so if Positron just incaps instantly that's GG. Also, if they somehow manage to kill Positron, ya kinda need proof of coming back from the Macro-Quantum blast that Antimatter is. So he incons the few times he is killed

"Master Roshi"
Not only does Positron literally resist Ki, Roshi just like, doesn't resist his basic attacks that incap people without resistance

"Isaac Clarke"
What grants Issac his edge in almost any match he find himself in is his time slow... There's an offensive power for that in City of Heroes. Shit even includes Time Stop. And that means Positron resists and incaps rather easily
 
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DaReaperMan said:
"Characters from Katana Zero (Zero, Fifteen and Headhunter)"
If I recall these are the guys who reverse time on death, so if Positron just incaps instantly that's GG. Also, if they somehow manage to kill Positron, ya kinda need proof of coming back from the Macro-Quantum blast that Antimatter is. So he incons the few times he is killed
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How exactly does he incap as everything im seeing here would be fatal in one way or another (radiation that can "instantly" incapacitate will just kill someone in 24 hours), or wouldn't mean much when precog + slowed perception of time comes into play, and doesn't exactly stop headhunter from sniping his ass from far outside his range, which would stop him from inconing
 
deonment said:
How exactly does he incap as everything im seeing here would be fatal in one way or another (radiation that can "instantly" incapacitate will just kill someone in 24 hours), or wouldn't mean much when precog + slowed perception of time comes into play, and doesn't exactly stop headhunter from sniping his ass from far outside his range, which would stop him from inconing
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Positron has canonically somehow never killed anyone that wasn't a Rikiti, so uh... yeah. He's got some way to not kill people

As for Headhunter, hitting Positron with a projectile is a cruel joke and he should simply give up.

See his skill section for more information!
 
DaReaperMan said:
Positron has canonically somehow never killed anyone that wasn't a Rikiti, so uh... yeah. He's got some way to not kill people

As for Headhunter, hitting Positron with a projectile is a cruel joke and he should simply give up.

See his skill section for more information!
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That doesn't mean he will use it in a fight to the death when he has no awareness of needing to incap

Yeah uh, neat skill feats, precog that will tell her exactly what she needs to do + slowed perception of time with the ability to spray bullets will mean that one will eventually tag him, also being able to tag people who can dodge crazy stuff doesn't mean you can as well.
 
deonment said:
That doesn't mean he will use it in a fight to the death when he has no awareness of needing to incap
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he fights people who want him dead literally daily and goes for incaps on them. it is literally his entire In-character to incapacitate the opponent as quickly as possible. if they aren't explicitly a villain they're generally going for incap, with among the heroes, only Manticore is willing to kill people if pushed
deonment said:
Yeah uh, neat skill feats, precog that will tell her exactly what she needs to do + slowed perception of time with the ability to spray bullets will mean that one will eventually tag him, also being able to tag people who can dodge crazy stuff doesn't mean you can as well.
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I mean yeah Positron can do it too with a wee bit less reliability, and considering forcefields he can rather easily clear a hundred meters or so in a forest against someone with half his AP, and from there it's just like... stupid easy for Positron to use his WALL of resistances to eat hits he really shouldn't be able to and make a gesture to apply his Radiation.
 
DaReaperMan said:
he fights people who want him dead literally daily and goes for incaps on them. it is literally his entire In-character to incapacitate the opponent as quickly as possible. if they aren't explicitly a villain they're generally going for incap, with among the heroes, only Manticore is willing to kill people if pushed
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hmm
DaReaperMan said:
I mean yeah Positron can do it too with a wee bit less reliability, and considering forcefields he can rather easily clear a hundred meters or so in a forest against someone with half his AP, and from there it's just like... stupid easy for Positron to use his WALL of resistances to eat hits he really shouldn't be able to and make a gesture to apply his Radiation.
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Scans on that? That presumes the explicitly ranged fighter will not just move away themselves when they know damn well how that will end up in Positron's range, also they aren't half his AP, they are double it, and she is using a weapon that will blitz him under speed equal (is SOL so it would be about 767x faster lol), so he is gonna just get melted
 
deonment said:
hmm
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Keep in mind, Manticore got temporarily booted from the Freedom Phalanx for killing a guy who was going to kill Back Alley Brawler. Killing is taken quite seriously in CoH.
deonment said:
Scans on that?
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Buster brown it is an MMO and Positron is one of the big guys. And the powers that do rain things are all DPSes.

Aka my ass would get one-shot or two-shot before I even had the opportunity to get said scan in a Ghetto way.

But to explain it, anybody can dodge anything, in-game it's a %chance for an attack to be dodged, Archvillains/Heroes have the highest non-super reflexes dodge chance in the game.
deonment said:
That presumes the explicitly ranged fighter will not just move away themselves when they know damn well how that will end up in Positron's range, also they aren't half his AP, they are double it, and she is using a weapon that will blitz him under speed equal (is SOL so it would be about 767x faster lol), so he is gonna just get melted
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I mean unless Headhunter's movement speed is something above Peak Human good luck on outpacing Positron.

Your profile doesn't really say that in AP mate!
"Small Building level+, likely Building level (Can duel Zero and clash on par with him[1], who can damage her body [0.2184 Tons of TNT]"

Yes, a weapon that's so good- oh right its single shot and Positron literally has a resistance to both light Manipulation and heat Manipulation... the ladder of which is from no-selling PLASMA. "Envelope an ally in pure plasma"

And how is that a no-sell you may ask if you didn't click on the link? ... this is a defensive power that can be applied to anyone with no damage to them.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Aka my ass would get one-shot or two-shot before I even had the opportunity to get said scan in a Ghetto way.
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skill issue ngl
DaReaperMan said:
I mean unless Headhunter's movement speed is something above Peak Human good luck on outpacing Positron.
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Yes, yes it is, combat speed includes movement speed and she very much moves at comparable to Zero who moves at said speeds
DaReaperMan said:
Your profile doesn't really say that in AP mate!
"Small Building level+, likely Building level (Can duel Zero and clash on par with him[1], who can damage her body [0.2184 Tons of TNT]"
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she scales to her own dura
Durability: Small Building level+ (Can take strikes from Zero. Survived her suicide vest, which should be comparable to her grenades), likely Building level (After being drastically injured throughout the fight and receiving a deep stab wound, was able to withstand the suicide blast that possessed five of her explosives [1.092 Tons of TNT][Note/Explanation 2])
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or if you decided to check Zero's profile
likely Building level (As said before, Zero can hurt Headhunter, someone who after being drastically injured throughout the fight and receiving a deep stab wound, was able to withstand the suicide blast that possessed five of her explosives [1.092 Tons of TNT][Note/Explanation 2])
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DaReaperMan said:
Yes, a weapon that's so good- oh right its single shot and Positron literally has a resistance to both light Manipulation and heat Manipulation... the ladder of which is from no-selling PLASMA. "Envelope an ally in pure plasma"

And how is that a no-sell you may ask if you didn't click on the link? ... this is a defensive power that can be applied to anyone with no damage to them.
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Lmao it very much isn't, she spams that shit to no end in her fight
We don't automatically give people resistance to ability just for resisting someone using an ability to defend someone else unless the thing says it explicitly, otherwise go ahead and give everyone who has ice armor of some kind resistance to ice or temp manip, but even if we did, heat is directly connected to AP, and the heat inside an 8-C laser double his own AP value sure as hell not gonna get no selled, and even if it was, taking a hundred or so of those isn't gonna be any better, cause the temperature on him is going to increase with every single attack, far beyond his capacity to resist.
 
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