Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

[Orioreeem]

So, to sparkle up some discussion

The smurf thread has culminated (in summary) into the following changes for smurf hax:

- Characters with smurf range don't inherently have smurf potency too, meaning that a 3D character merely having hax with the range or area of effect at 5D or above won't mean it'll bypass a non-smurf 3-D character. For it to qualify as smurf, such hax has to be shown as capable of focusing on a single 3D target or similar.

- The opposite is also true, a character with smurf potency doesn't inherently has smurf range too, meaning that a 3D character having hax with 1-A potency isn't necessarily able to inherently hax a character that size-wise is 5-D or above, out of being unable to significantly reach a remotely notable amount of their being.

- Characters that are only 4-D or above stats wise (as in, AP, Durability and the like), but still of a lower dimensionality size-wise (for example, most tier 2 characters are 3D), aren't inherently immune to hax that entirely ignores durability, as they'd be within effective range for 3D hax abilities, only notable exception is Matter Manipulation and similar as the bonds of the character's atoms apparently would have to be infinitely higher than compared to "normal" 3D matter for the sake of their durability.

- Abilities based on cognition from the opponent, most commonly Madness Manipulation type 3, work regardless of dimensionality, so long the target can perceive them, as such similar arguments can also be made for Social Influencing on this regard.

In other words, smurf hax criteria got wider and some smurf hax is almost no better than normal hax beyond being able to consistently affect characters that are size-wise 4-D or above.

Will any placements get affected by this in particular?

SO higher D mind is affected by 3D hax or do we assume that just because the body is higher D the mind is not if not stated?
Affecting higher D structure is not enough for higher D hax but all you need to show now is that you can just affect 3D target with it? Might just affect series which don't have 3D characters but that's all.
Most of these things are how we have always done things.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

• Abilities that affect reality, not the target: This would be very similar to the 2nd and 3rd case. Most of the character is outside of the abilities area of effect and range, making it next to impossible that it has a significant effect on them. One important difference to note is that any part that enters the reality, and hence the range of the ability, may still be affected. If laws or concepts were altered to erase the higher-dimensional character, them sticking their hand into the altered reality would still erase their hand, somewhat limiting their attack options.

what if it inserted a hypervolume one of its body and not just a portion of its body.
for example a 4D world where they altered laws to prevent someone from entering it by erasing whatever tries to enter via law and concept hax.
but a 6D being inserted a 5D hypervolume of itself on it rather than 3D or4D that the LAws,concept can encompasses

 

[StekFence]

only notable exception is Matter Manipulation and similar as the bonds of the character's atoms apparently would have to be infinitely higher than compared to "normal" 3D matter for the sake of their durability.

4d matter manip. Good for ss ig

 

[Bobsican]

SO higher D mind is affected by 3D hax or do we assume that just because the body is higher D the mind is not if not stated?
Affecting higher D structure is not enough for higher D hax but all you need to show now is that you can just affect 3D target with it? Might just affect series which don't have 3D characters but that's all.
Most of these things are how we have always done things.

Assuming you mean that the mind is qualitatively higher-D (over just being finitely higher-D or similar, in which case I'd lean to a yes), no.
The mind usually is of the same dimensionality (size-wise) as the rest of the body, as much the brain is a part of it, and we don't default minds as incorporeal things AFAIK.

Not exactly, it has to be shown that such hax can be concentrated on such, so merely a 3D character using supernatural charisma across a tier 1 space would only make it a range smurf, for it to be a potency smurf too, such ability requires being shown as being capable of reducing its area of effect into a particular smaller target (namely a 3D one).

what if it inserted a hypervolume one of its body and not just a portion of its body.
for example a 4D world where they altered laws to prevent someone from entering it by erasing whatever tries to enter via law and concept hax.
but a 6D being inserted a 5D hypervolume of itself on it rather than 3D or4D that the LAws,concept can encompasses

That's an edge case that's covered in the current version of the Resistance page, it can indeed make higher-D characters have a more difficult time properly affecting a qualitatively inferior space, but wouldn't be inherently lethal or anything given such structures are infinesimally smaller in comparison to them.

If you instead mean inserting a qualitatively superior structure (or portion of it) still larger than the lower-D thing (say, inserting a Low 1-C structure into a Low 2-C universe) to it, well, that'd vary depending on the context, by definition it can't fit to begin with as it's infinitely smaller, and so would generally be just dismissed as some case of Immersion. Fiction often has universes within universes that are somehow meant to still be comparable in size, and so ultimately would depend on a lot of semantics and would require a case by case approach.

4d matter manip. Good for ss ig

Characters that relied on molecularly-sharp swords and whatever are taking a L TBH.

 

[Pedonar]

Kang han soo

han soo win con vs scarlet witch
Poison that melts, paralyzes, and corrodes lungs. Dark energy that corrupts the user; once she becomes corrupted, she will become part of the demon hierarchy, it means she will follow the strongest dark energy user.

Passive luck and probability manipulation

Additionally, resistance to the system which is 5D it grant him 5D resistance to laws, fate, and mind. The system also controls over six quadrillion souls. All of his hax are of 5D.

I think he should be:
low 7-B; 4 or 5

same as before + his existence and soul erasure and 2000x speed amplification

6-C; maybe 5 against zero

6-B; possibly 2

high 6-A ; 6

5-B; 5
5-A; equal to 6 or below

low 2-C ; atleast 9

2-B; 4

 

[Orioreeem]

over just being finitely higher-D or similar, in which case I'd lean to a yes

What is finitely higher D?

Not exactly, it has to be shown that such hax can be concentrated on such, so merely a 3D character using supernatural charisma across a tier 1 space would only make it a range smurf, for it to be a potency smurf too, such ability requires being shown as being capable of reducing its area of effect into a particular smaller target (namely a 3D one).

So basically a concept hax that can affect a multiverse and destroy a 3D target would qualify?

 

[Bobsican]

What is finitely higher D?

As in not qualiatively superior/tier 1 yet still higher-D.

So basically a concept hax that can affect a multiverse and destroy a 3D target would qualify?

I'd think so, yeah.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'll go through and make the changes to this thread and other non-smurf one later on. I have been dealing with personal issues so I haven't had the will to participate much on this site, much less these threads.

 

[Kirinator07]

After you come back, number one in Low 1-C should be SCP-001

 

[Dragonite007]

After you come back, number one in Low 1-C should be SCP-001

This is a civilization profile, this list is from the Strongest characters

 

[deonment]

After you come back, number one in Low 1-C should be SCP-001

No, they wouldn't, they aren't even 6D, just 5D

 

[Kirinator07]

This is a civilization profile, this list is from the Strongest characters

The Downstreamers say no

No, they wouldn't, they aren't even 6D, just 5D

I'm wondering if the same as before counts due to it being Boundless

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I wonder if Caliborn would be fine to keep on the list? I’m assuming his stuff is smurf in range and potency.

 

[deonment]

I wonder if Caliborn would be fine to keep on the list? I’m assuming his stuff is smurf in range and potency.

Yeah since it is based on R>Fs

 

[Dragonite007]

The Downstreamers say no

lol, so they shouldn't stay in the list

I'm wondering if the same as before counts due to it being Boundless

Nop, don't count

 

[ExSENNA]

I still quite don't understand how ontologically higher-D mind can be affected by hax of what they deem as something akin to fiction though (like Madness hax type 3)

 

[Kirinator07]

lol, so they shouldn't stay in the list

Blame the thread rules

Nop, don't count

Reasons?

 

[Dragonite007]

Reasons?

Because is Boundless, not Low 1-C

 

[Kirinator07]

Because is Boundless, not Low 1-C

They have a Low 1-C key

 

[Dragonite007]

They have a Low 1-C key

Which is 5-D

 

[Kirinator07]

Which is 5-D

Yet they are also Boundless

Question; Is the Joker also 5-D? and if so is there a scan?

 

[Dragonite007]

Yet they are also Boundless

They others keys are boundless, the Low 1-C key is just 5-D

 

[deonment]

Yet they are also Boundless

For extended canon, which article canon in no way scales to

 

[Kirinator07]

For extended canon, which article canon in no way scales to

There are versions of narratives that still apply, such as a Kaktusverse version

They others keys are boundless, the Low 1-C key is just 5-D

The key is supposedly interlinked

 

[deonment]

There are versions of narratives that still apply, such as a Kaktusverse version

which would be extended canon which AC 001 doesn't scale to

 

[Dragonite007]

The key is supposedly interlinked

Nop, they are not, one is Article Canon, other is Extended Canon, they are not the same

 

[Kirinator07]

which would be extended canon which AC 001 doesn't scale to

Nop, they are not, one is Article Canon, other is Extended Canon, they are not the same

They are still considered a smurf and are interlinked due to the same as before statement, no offense but why type it like "nop"?

 

[Dragonite007]

They are still considered a smurf and are interlinked due to the same as before statement, no offense but why type it like "nop"?

They are not interlinked, "same as before" says that the new key has all the powers that the old key has, but the old key don't have any of the powers that the new key.

In another words: The article canon don't have the Boundless powers

no offense but why type it like "nop"?

"The term nop is widely used as slang for the word "no," nop is often used to add emphasis."

 

[Kirinator07]

They are not interlinked, "same as before" says that the new key has all the powers that the old key has, but the old key don't have any of the powers that the new key.

In another words: The article canon don't have the Boundless powers

The new key should retain the same rating as such

"The term nop is widely used as slang for the word "no," nop is often used to add emphasis."

Sounds bland

 

[deonment]

They are still considered a smurf and are interlinked due to the same as before statement

Because extended canon has powers from article canon because they use article canon as a basis, it is one way, AC in no way scales to EC

 

[Dragonite007]

The new key should retain the same rating as such

They shouldn't retain the same rating, they are Boundless, not Low 1-C

 

[Kirinator07]

They shouldn't retain the same rating, they are Boundless, not Low 1-C

Because extended canon has powers from article canon because they use article canon as a basis, it is one way, AC in no way scales to EC

The Patasphere model does incorporate the AC version into it as in the same rating just that it is Boundless

 

[Kirinator07]

I might let this slide due to some big SCP revisions coming soon as discussed in the verse thread

 

[Dragonite007]

same rating just that it is Boundless

If it is Boundless so isn't Low 1-C

 

[Kirinator07]

If it is Boundless so isn't Low 1-C

It should contain the last key but alas, the future revisions are what we should worry about

 

[deonment]

The Patasphere model does incorporate the AC version into it as in the same rating just that it is Boundless

yeah, but the AC key doesn't scale to that at all, because AC keys only use what is in the article, nothing else

 

[Kirinator07]

yeah, but the AC key doesn't scale to that at all, because AC keys only use what is in the article, nothing else

It still is a consideration for the rating, likewise, this might be washed down the drain with a possible large CRT

 

[Ignatheus]

Hmm at this rate characters from InuYasha could sit in Tier 6-A. there's multiple characters that could cut through fate and trade blows with those guys, but i want to slide Naraku in there.

 

[Pedonar]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/battle-for-5th-strongest-low-7-b.157617/

 

[Abhisitlockky]

Why is the Ergenverse ranked number 1 the 2B ?