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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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Bobsican said:
So, to sparkle up some discussion

The smurf thread has culminated (in summary) into the following changes for smurf hax:

- Characters with smurf range don't inherently have smurf potency too, meaning that a 3D character merely having hax with the range or area of effect at 5D or above won't mean it'll bypass a non-smurf 3-D character. For it to qualify as smurf, such hax has to be shown as capable of focusing on a single 3D target or similar.

- The opposite is also true, a character with smurf potency doesn't inherently has smurf range too, meaning that a 3D character having hax with 1-A potency isn't necessarily able to inherently hax a character that size-wise is 5-D or above, out of being unable to significantly reach a remotely notable amount of their being.

- Characters that are only 4-D or above stats wise (as in, AP, Durability and the like), but still of a lower dimensionality size-wise (for example, most tier 2 characters are 3D), aren't inherently immune to hax that entirely ignores durability, as they'd be within effective range for 3D hax abilities, only notable exception is Matter Manipulation and similar as the bonds of the character's atoms apparently would have to be infinitely higher than compared to "normal" 3D matter for the sake of their durability.

- Abilities based on cognition from the opponent, most commonly Madness Manipulation type 3, work regardless of dimensionality, so long the target can perceive them, as such similar arguments can also be made for Social Influencing on this regard.

In other words, smurf hax criteria got wider and some smurf hax is almost no better than normal hax beyond being able to consistently affect characters that are size-wise 4-D or above.

Will any placements get affected by this in particular?
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SO higher D mind is affected by 3D hax or do we assume that just because the body is higher D the mind is not if not stated?
Affecting higher D structure is not enough for higher D hax but all you need to show now is that you can just affect 3D target with it? Might just affect series which don't have 3D characters but that's all.
Most of these things are how we have always done things.
 
  • Abilities that affect reality, not the target: This would be very similar to the 2nd and 3rd case. Most of the character is outside of the abilities area of effect and range, making it next to impossible that it has a significant effect on them. One important difference to note is that any part that enters the reality, and hence the range of the ability, may still be affected. If laws or concepts were altered to erase the higher-dimensional character, them sticking their hand into the altered reality would still erase their hand, somewhat limiting their attack options.
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what if it inserted a hypervolume one of its body and not just a portion of its body.
for example a 4D world where they altered laws to prevent someone from entering it by erasing whatever tries to enter via law and concept hax.
but a 6D being inserted a 5D hypervolume of itself on it rather than 3D or4D that the LAws,concept can encompasses
 
Orioreeem said:
SO higher D mind is affected by 3D hax or do we assume that just because the body is higher D the mind is not if not stated?
Affecting higher D structure is not enough for higher D hax but all you need to show now is that you can just affect 3D target with it? Might just affect series which don't have 3D characters but that's all.
Most of these things are how we have always done things.
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Assuming you mean that the mind is qualitatively higher-D (over just being finitely higher-D or similar, in which case I'd lean to a yes), no.
The mind usually is of the same dimensionality (size-wise) as the rest of the body, as much the brain is a part of it, and we don't default minds as incorporeal things AFAIK.

Not exactly, it has to be shown that such hax can be concentrated on such, so merely a 3D character using supernatural charisma across a tier 1 space would only make it a range smurf, for it to be a potency smurf too, such ability requires being shown as being capable of reducing its area of effect into a particular smaller target (namely a 3D one).

TheGreatJedi13 said:
what if it inserted a hypervolume one of its body and not just a portion of its body.
for example a 4D world where they altered laws to prevent someone from entering it by erasing whatever tries to enter via law and concept hax.
but a 6D being inserted a 5D hypervolume of itself on it rather than 3D or4D that the LAws,concept can encompasses
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That's an edge case that's covered in the current version of the Resistance page, it can indeed make higher-D characters have a more difficult time properly affecting a qualitatively inferior space, but wouldn't be inherently lethal or anything given such structures are infinesimally smaller in comparison to them.

If you instead mean inserting a qualitatively superior structure (or portion of it) still larger than the lower-D thing (say, inserting a Low 1-C structure into a Low 2-C universe) to it, well, that'd vary depending on the context, by definition it can't fit to begin with as it's infinitely smaller, and so would generally be just dismissed as some case of Immersion. Fiction often has universes within universes that are somehow meant to still be comparable in size, and so ultimately would depend on a lot of semantics and would require a case by case approach.

StekFence said:
4d matter manip. Good for ss ig
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Characters that relied on molecularly-sharp swords and whatever are taking a L TBH.
 
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Pedonar said:
Kang han soo

han soo win con vs scarlet witch
Poison that melts, paralyzes, and corrodes lungs. Dark energy that corrupts the user; once she becomes corrupted, she will become part of the demon hierarchy, it means she will follow the strongest dark energy user.

Passive luck and probability manipulation

Additionally, resistance to the system which is 5D it grant him 5D resistance to laws, fate, and mind. The system also controls over six quadrillion souls. All of his hax are of 5D.

I think he should be:
low 7-B; 4 or 5

same as before + his existence and soul erasure and 2000x speed amplification

6-C; maybe 5 against zero

6-B; possibly 2

high 6-A ; 6

5-B; 5
5-A; equal to 6 or below

low 2-C ; atleast 9

2-B; 4
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🦧
 
Bobsican said:
over just being finitely higher-D or similar, in which case I'd lean to a yes
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What is finitely higher D?

Bobsican said:
Not exactly, it has to be shown that such hax can be concentrated on such, so merely a 3D character using supernatural charisma across a tier 1 space would only make it a range smurf, for it to be a potency smurf too, such ability requires being shown as being capable of reducing its area of effect into a particular smaller target (namely a 3D one).
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So basically a concept hax that can affect a multiverse and destroy a 3D target would qualify?
 
I still quite don't understand how ontologically higher-D mind can be affected by hax of what they deem as something akin to fiction though (like Madness hax type 3)
 
Kirinator07 said:
They are still considered a smurf and are interlinked due to the same as before statement, no offense but why type it like "nop"?
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They are not interlinked, "same as before" says that the new key has all the powers that the old key has, but the old key don't have any of the powers that the new key.

In another words: The article canon don't have the Boundless powers
Kirinator07 said:
no offense but why type it like "nop"?
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"The term nop is widely used as slang for the word "no," nop is often used to add emphasis."
 
Dragonite007 said:
They are not interlinked, "same as before" says that the new key has all the powers that the old key has, but the old key don't have any of the powers that the new key.

In another words: The article canon don't have the Boundless powers
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The new key should retain the same rating as such

Dragonite007 said:
"The term nop is widely used as slang for the word "no," nop is often used to add emphasis."
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Sounds bland
 
Hmm at this rate characters from InuYasha could sit in Tier 6-A. there's multiple characters that could cut through fate and trade blows with those guys, but i want to slide Naraku in there.
 
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