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Tokyo Ghoul Downgrade (Final)

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Cyberblader90

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This is the final tg crt from me for a while hopefully​


Lifting strength downgrade​

User blog:NikHelton/Tokyo Ghoul total revision | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
This calc is inflated and unusable, as explained here:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/tokyo-ghoul-ap-downgrade.111492/#post-3531476

Characters should instead be scaled to Nishiki lifting cars, which is the current justification for class 5

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The following profiles should lose class m and instead get class 5 for the modified keys:

docs.google.com

Lifting Strength

docs.google.com docs.google.com

Edit:
Class m has been accepted for a different calc, and will be only scaling to a few characters

vsbattles.fandom.com

Eto lifts compactor

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

So for lifting strength.

The reason so few are getting class m is that previously, base Amon was erroneously scaled to Eto via him breaking out of Mutsuki's Kagune, which held Eto in place.
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The problem is that this was a much weaker, suppressed Mutsuki. Mutsuki would continue to cannibalize for months after this, becoming far stronger
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Its after this point that she holds down Eto
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The other reason is that currently most of the pages scale off direct fights, rather than lifting feats, which violates the rules regarding it
Lifting Strength | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

Instead the characters can scale off rc cell amounts and the ghoul rating system, as those determine stats
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In this case, Nishiki is rated as "s" and has generally lower amount of rc cells than higher tiers, so most ghouls can scale to his LS
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God tiers that are listed as "Class M" in the doc either directly scale to Eto (like kaneki stopping her mid charge), or have an rc cell count comparable to or above Eto.

As for why "superhuman" for most ghoul characters
Kuki Urie | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

Urie is currently rated as "superhuman" for lifting Kanae Rosewald into the air with one hand.
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This was base urie, who had an rc cell count of 902. Most ghoul characters with a profile on the wiki have a higher rc cell count which affects all stats. as such they should be directly comparable in LS

Character revision:​

Kuki Urie | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

Urie’s first and second key need an addition. Urie’s shield can block eto’s shockwave:
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As such, his durability keys are changed to:
Durability: Wall level, At least Small Building level+, possibly Building level (Blocked simultaneous attacks from Roma and Shikorae's kagunes without difficulty), Building level, possibly higher with shield (Blocked Eto’s shockwave)| At least Small Building level+, possibly Building level (Took numerous hits from Saiko that destroyed sections of buildings and fragmented the ground and kept fighting), Building level, possibly higher with shield

Speed:​


I recently found a feat that can be used to somewhat increase speed.

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Naki’s friends block bullets just a few inches from naki before they hit him. They were not in view previously. At the minimum this would be hypersonic.

Here is the anime depiction:
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These two, gagi and guge, are relative fodder who were unable to release their kagune and such it scales to their base speed. They were matched by fodder ghouls who were relative or slower than shuu tsukiyama. Several characters scale to him in speed (basically all the current profiles), so this would be a versewide. However it should be noted they did this feat two years after the Shuu fight, so they have gotten faster.

As such, I propose “supersonic, possibly hypersonic” for lower tiers. Higher tiers can be:
“supersonic, likely hypersonic”, or flat hypersonic. I'll leave that up to discussion.

Once this part has been discussed, I'll add in a list of suggested edits of speed

edit: I have a calc for the feat that gets hypersonic+, needs to be accepted
User blog:Cyberblader9/Naki's friends go hypersonic (Tokyo Ghoul) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

Ok so. The hypersonic feat was performed by gagi and guge, to save a heavily injured naki from bullets.
gagi and guge in part 1 were kind of fodder speed wise, as no name ghouls inferior to Shuu could fight them, and human investigators as well. Even naki was shown to be to intercept an attack faster than they could, while he was being nerfed by suppressant gas
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This is maybe consistent with Base Shinohara (human) being able to react and parry an attack from kakuja kaneki, who could make 2 sonic booms with his movements
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that said, the hypersonic feat was 2 years after this, and gagi and guge could have gotten faster. Both of them are irregular, as they could not release their kagune, and as such had an abnormally high rc cell count of 3000.
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Amon in part 2 had an rc cell count of 10,000, and as such should be relative or faster than them. Several characters can scale to him in speed, and you can make scaling chains for every profile the wiki currently has.

I would like to keep it as "likely/possibly" hypersonic, as fire arms are still treated as a threat to most ghouls, and mach cones still make an apearance as far in as the last 10 chapters.

Kaneki and Furuta should upscale enough to make it to hypersonic+. Both are faster than arima who could blitz characters who characters who upscale a bit from gagi and guge, who are already mach 9.6


Regeneration:​

Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Souta-Washuu Furuta | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

Both Kaneki and Furuta are listed as high mid.

This is incorrect.
For Furuta, Dragon did not consume his entire upper half, it only ate part of it to extract the “core” that had been implanted into Furuta. Furuta’s suit is mostly intact when we next see him, and his severed arm is shown attaching itself to him. He also has a partial scar on his face.
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While he does have the same Kagune as Kaneki, his regeneration feats are not on the same level:
Requires Kakuja to regrow his severed arm, and it was just a temporary kagune arm. The arm is gone when the form deactivates.
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I recommend low mid for furuta

As for Kaneki, I'm fine with him scaling to Eto’s regen (Mid from re growing her head) due to him consuming her kakuja.
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Consistent with his low mid feat of continuously re growing all four of his limbs.
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Kaneki, however, does not have High Mid.
We don't know to what extent he was damaged by the dragon heads, as they cover him completely before he activates his wings. His clothing is also mostly intact, suggesting it was more so internal organ damage.
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As such, Mid is the most we can go with for kaneki.


That is all
 
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I personally would argue "likely hypersonic",at least for god tiers

Amon's rain dome feat is already faster than sound by necessity and the bullet feat in the op would be hypersonic by definition given the distance they had to cross
 
This seems to have mostly been accepted, but I would prefer to wait for Abstractions and/or Ionliosite.
 
Not fully sure on the speed, but I agree on the regeneration.

I do definitely feel as if there's something to gather for LS from Eto's calc still should it be done properly, but the current changes aren't wrong.

I'm sorry if this isn't an in-depth response.
 
Abstractions said:
Not fully sure on the speed, but I agree on the regeneration.

I do definitely feel as if there's something to gather for LS from Eto's calc still should it be done properly, but the current changes aren't wrong.

I'm sorry if this isn't an in-depth response.
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I agree with holding off on speed till the calc is checked. I can try a rough calc for eto, but the feat just has too many unknowns
 
Okay. That is good. Thanks.

What did Abstractions and Ionliosite think?
 
Ionliosite agreed with the op, and abstracts was unsure on speed. agreed on everything else but preferred that I use Eto (one of the calcs) if possible for lifting strength
 
Okay. What they have both agreed about is probably fine to apply.
 
Abstractions said:
Not fully sure on the speed, but I agree on the regeneration.

I do definitely feel as if there's something to gather for LS from Eto's calc still should it be done properly, but the current changes aren't wrong.

I'm sorry if this isn't an in-depth response.
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If eto's calc is accepted, it would be very low-end class m
 
I'm also wondering if you're flat out okay with them being hypersonic plus, given that Mitch has accepted that calc

Or do you prefer "at least supersonic, possibly/likely Hypersonic+”
 
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